New Internet Casino opening on Frankford

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Has anyone else seen this? One of the nice looking new rowhouses on frankford and montgomery (northwest corner) now has a business in its first floor. It's posted as "internet cafe" with "cash prizes" and pictures of gambling painted all over. I knew sugarhouse is expanding, but this seems a bit much. Anyone have any info on how this is ok?

dan

Is this in the zoning overlay?
Call FNA, FACT, & DiCicco.

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JedicusMaximus's picture

I noticed it last week while walking my dogs. I can't say I'm thrilled to have it around the corner from my house. While I don't know any details about it, a quick Google search for Internet Cafe Casinos is not encouraging. Here is a link to an article about them in Florida. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_18/b4226076180073.htm The article focuses on them in the context of Florida, and I don't know what the laws are here in PA, but it certainly seems shady.

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Jordan's picture

That just sounds stupid.

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newfish's picture

Interesting stuff. I guess the thing that bothers me most about the place is how terrible it looks. It's this nice new building ruined with all these painted signs in the windows with '777', 'cash prizes', etc that in my opinion just junks up the neighborhood. Honestly I'd prefer the old empty lot to this. I'll post a picture when I get a chance, but it reminds me of that cash for gold place that was open for a bit.

codergrrl's picture

Do you really need to go somewhere to gamble on the net? Can't you do that in the privacy of your own home?

"Je Suis Prest"

dan

codergrrl wrote:
Do you really need to go somewhere to gamble on the net? Can't you do that in the privacy of your own home?

Not when you've pawned your computer.

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tasty's picture

why doesn't this place have an address on it? should be 1800 or 1802, right?

bozoloper's picture

oh man, i had high hopes for something nice going in there.

"my pockets are empty, i've spent my last dime,
but i just got to hear that song one more time."

newfish's picture

Thanks for posting the picture. It's just so..... sad...

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Isn't there some type of zoning needed for this business? Hell, I'm opening one.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

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tasty wrote:
why doesn't this place have an address on it? should be 1800 or 1802, right?

It looks like the address is 777

Pure_Fishtown's picture

newfish wrote:
tasty wrote:
why doesn't this place have an address on it? should be 1800 or 1802, right?

It looks like the address is 777

Would imagine that it is 02, 00 would be the corner property.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

tasty's picture

yea... very convenient. ;) it's actually 1802 frankford ave. i guess the apartments above are accessed from blair st.?

newfish's picture

For what it's worth, I made complaint with 311. Ticket number 2025233.

ShaunChristopher's picture

I don't ever remember this coming up at zoning.

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Kenzo wrote:
This is the owner of the building. This may or may not be the owner of said business.

I am calling L&I right now to see if there is a BPL registered for this individual. I'll reply back if I hear anything substantive.

Address: 1802 FRANKFORD AVE Unit Number: Zip Code: 19125-2403
Owner Information
Owner(s): MURAWSKI MICHAEL
OPA Account Number * : 183048800
Mailing Address: MURAWSKI MICHAEL
[street address removed]
PHILADELPHIA
PA
19125

That is the owner of the property when it was a lot. How long has the building been there because they are only paying taxes on a lot according to the BRT site.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

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The building has been complete for approximately six months, to the best of my recolection. The signs for the casino (gambling den?) just went up last week. Prior to the signs going to there were several rows of computers, but I never saw anyone either in the building or entering/leaving.

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ugh what a horrid addition to Frankford Ave. I am sure they are exploiting some loophole by calling it an "internet cafe" and I don't understand why it has to be so hideous. Frustration.

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
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I am sure Mr Murawski really did not care what type of tenant he got as long as he rented the space for the money he wanted. He's a money guy not an ideals guy. I hope Fishtown finds a way to get rid of this horrible business but I am doubtful there is enforcement for it. Sadly crap like this is more predatory and offers less benefit than the casino.

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

NEPAhenry's picture

i went in a couple months ago when this space was first finished. At that time they were calling it "Frankford Dev. Corp." and they were doing "for-profit mortgage modifications... seems like that space is going to be a cavalcade of sleeze...

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also its clearly not ADA accessible.... what about all those disabled nrighborhood residents who want to LOVE away their check without going all the way down to sugarhouse.

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

NEPAhenry's picture

No, the overlay only covers the east side of Frankford.

Leo's picture

When I saw all the cubicles going in, I thought it was going to be a call center for a dept collection or telemarketing agency.

A friend lives right next door to that. I bet they're not pleased.

"Beware the fury of a patient man". - John Dryden

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Fishtown Lawyers
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Philadelphia, PA 19125
p.215.385.5291

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I just got a call from WHYY about this. I think one of their local reporters is doing a story, possibly for Newsworks Tonight (@ 6pm on 90.9 fm).

"Beware the fury of a patient man". - John Dryden

Leo M. Mulvihill, Jr.
Fishtown Lawyers
2424 E. York Street • Suite 111
Philadelphia, PA 19125
p.215.385.5291

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I guess they know to go the the camera friendly face of Fishtown...please wear that blazer if you're going to be on TV! 

"Je Suis Prest"

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I makes me endlessly happy that Joey Sweeney is increasingly using FTUS as a source. He usually has nothing good to say about FT. I'm sure he spent his youth being smacked around by Rec boys, and still can't get over the fact that they don't find him endlessly fascinating.

"Je Suis Prest"

th's picture

This whole thing is so surprising. I mean, who could have guessed that once a casino opened, casino related businesses would start popping up all around it?

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Hey everybody.
I swung by here last night and asked around. First of all, it was locked up tight at 5 p.m. and, as I'm sure you could see, there's no posted hours or contact info. Asking around the neighborhood, someone told me they heard it wasn't for a business but would be some sort of art event.
I'm still looking into it and please, feel free to contact me anytime if you hear anything.
But, I can't see how any "internet cafe" could offer "cash prizes".
I'm still looking, I'll post any updates I find.

Thanks,

Hayden

Hayden Mitman
Staff Reporter
Northeast Times and Star Newspapers
215-354-3124

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The Art of the Scam.

"Je Suis Prest"

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Oh, I also talked to the FNA and they don't recall having discussed this place at any meeting.
So, whatever this is, the owners don't seem to have sought approval for the business from the neighborhood.
Don't know if that matters or not.

Hayden

Hayden Mitman
Staff Reporter
Northeast Times and Star Newspapers
215-354-3124

YJB 2k12's picture

Mike Murawski is a neighborhood guy, who has done a lot of rehabs in the neighborhood. If you really wanted to ask him, I'm sure he is accessible.

For those who enjoy card games - www.topthattoast.com

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Hey, I'm sure if his number is out here, I'm not the only media calling him about this. I left a message anyway. I'll let you know what I hear. Thanks everybody.

Hayden

Hayden Mitman
Staff Reporter
Northeast Times and Star Newspapers
215-354-3124

dan

th wrote:
This whole thing is so surprising. I mean, who could have guessed that once a casino opened, casino related businesses would start popping up all around it?

"I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

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dan

If it's an art installation, it's brilliant.
(Although I don't think some city agencies will see it that way after the uproar it caused.)

However, I would caution that until we have verification, don't assume it's an art installation and therefore stop fighting it. Keep up the good fight.

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now all we need is a cash 4 gold, a happy ending massage parlor and a check cashing joint to make things complete

Empty factories to the east and all our waste
The shape of things that came shows on the broken workers face

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dan wrote:
If it's an art installation, it's brilliant.
(Although I don't think some city agencies will see it that way after the uproar it caused.)

However, I would caution that until we have verification, don't assume it's an art installation and therefore stop fighting it. Keep up the good fight.

If it is an art installation, us getting all in an uproar will become part of the piece - making it even better.

You wanna dance? LET'S DANCE!

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The fact that computers/cubicles were being seen moved into the place and the investment in privacy frosted glass suggest that it is actually an attempt at a business rather than a big joke.

dan

lighterthief wrote:
now all we need is a cash 4 gold, a happy ending massage parlor and a check cashing joint to make things complete

Yeah, there's been a big void since Brooke moved out of the neighborhood.

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Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on 1532 E HEWSON ST (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

"Nothing is a greater stranger to my breast, or a sin that my soul more abhors, than that black and detestable one, ingratitude."

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FtownLarry wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on [street address removed] (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

Tread carefully - you don't want to get arrested yourself for harassment.

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austen wrote:
FtownLarry wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on [street address removed] (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

Tread carefully - you don't want to get arrested yourself for harassment.

Hey, I'm just finishing what Kenzo started

"Nothing is a greater stranger to my breast, or a sin that my soul more abhors, than that black and detestable one, ingratitude."

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dan wrote:
lighterthief wrote:
now all we need is a cash 4 gold, a happy ending massage parlor and a check cashing joint to make things complete

Yeah, there's been a big void since Brooke moved out of the neighborhood.

*Hitting Like button*

So I said to him, "Look, buddy.Your car was upside down when we got here. And as for your grandma, she shouldn't have mouthed off like that"

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A little more info: http://www.citypaper.net/blogs/nakedcity/What-the-hell-is-an-internet-sweepstakes-cafe--and-whats-one-doing-on-Frankford-Ave-.html

I don't know anything about the zoning aspects but it would appear they are currently loophole legal?

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Hey,
Sorry to keep stepping in here, but I don't know if everyone here saw this, but over on City Paper's blog, Isaiah Thompson posting a link to this great Bloomberg Businessweek article that examines the type of business that this "Jackpot Internet Cafe" just might be.
If this is what it is, it's hard to believe this type of business would be legal and would operate under the radar without any prior issues or concerns coming from the city. Right?
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_18/b4226076180073.htm

Hayden Mitman
Staff Reporter
Northeast Times and Star Newspapers
215-354-3124

dan

FtownLarry wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on [street address removed] (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

Please don't say or do anything threatening.
Ask the guy questions, but leave the kids out of it.
(I think you only meant that you would know where to talk to the wife, but the way you phrased it sounds really bad!)

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th's picture

Wow. 48 hour turn around. Not bad.

You wanna dance? LET'S DANCE!

dan

It sounds like Mr. M didn't know what kind of business he was renting to. (Hey, if somebody told me they were opening an "internet cafe", I wouldn't have known it could mean "mini-casino".)
In any case, it appears he's doing the right thing and shutting the tenant down. If so, kudos to him!

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dan

th wrote:
Wow. 48 hour turn around. Not bad.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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dan wrote:
FtownLarry wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on [street address removed] (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

Please don't say or do anything threatening.
Ask the guy questions, but leave the kids out of it.
(I think you only meant that you would know where to talk to the wife, but the way you phrased it sounds really bad!)

i didnt mean to make it sound bad but we need these answers
im going to ask her tomorrow morning what her tenants names are.

wish me luck!

"Nothing is a greater stranger to my breast, or a sin that my soul more abhors, than that black and detestable one, ingratitude."

dan

Kenzo wrote:
Dan can you edit out Mr. M's information please, and his phone is still on here. I know a lot of you folks are PASSIONATE about casinos. No need for someone to stumble on this by accident, not read this thread completely to see that the situation is resolved for the time being, and then contact Mr. M again.

Did that awhile ago, unless there's a post I missed. I'll double-check right now.

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dan

I'll second what Kenzo said and ask you to only talk to the husband.
Sounds like he's handling the business deals.

FtownLarry wrote:
dan wrote:
FtownLarry wrote:
Kenzo wrote:
Hey anybody of those blood-thirsty casi-NO activists want to knock on [street address removed] (Mr. Murawski's house) and ask what is going on with that building and why it says JACKPOT INTERNET CAFE???

DONE!

just knocked on the murawski's door and demanded an answer.
he was not home but i scared his wife pretty good
she said she doesn't know if its legal for her to give me her tenants name and address.
i saw one of her childrens school shirts so I know what school her kids go to
i'm going to catch her in the morning and get some answers.

Please don't say or do anything threatening.
Ask the guy questions, but leave the kids out of it.
(I think you only meant that you would know where to talk to the wife, but the way you phrased it sounds really bad!)

i didnt mean to make it sound bad but we need these answers
im going to ask her tomorrow morning what her tenants names are.

wish me luck!

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Pure_Fishtown's picture

I just heard from a relative of Mr. M's, he did not know that the tenant was going to do that. I know the family and they are a good family. As soon as he found out, he did the right thing.

So, if this thread can be removed or locked, it would be in the best interest of all concerned. Thanks.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

Desiree's picture

Why don't you all stop hiding behind your fake names and computers and grow a set and go to the building and ask what it is going to be? My brother has rehabed alot of run down building and made them look great. To put his home address and home phone number on here is way out of hand. Not to mention putting my mothers address on here. There are people knocking on his door and calling his home. How would you like it if I put all your address and phone numbers on here. Not very hard to find out who you all are.

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Dan should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen.

This isn't the first time Kenzo has posted people's personal information causing harassment and now it may lead to someone harassing Mrs. Murawski and her children

Why is it that Kenzo is quick to point the finger at others ? I notice its impossible to find any of his information which makes me wonder where he came from and why he's running. This is the same guy who follows children on the eL and reads thier phones.

Its usually the person who points the finger at others to get the attention off himself.

I printed this whole thread out before Dan could censor the posts and if anything happens to them or their children I'll be the first one to hand my copies over to the police and the FBI.
(oh yes, I am a TROLL lol)

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I hope her husband is home when you CATCH her in the morning . This is out of control . No one even knows what going on but they will bother this family for no reason . I suggest you back the hell up and relax .

stein's picture

I haven't read this thread but I am ANGRY. Someone tell me who I am supposed to be angry at

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
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Kenzo the thread shouldn't be locked because you said so and do not throw out Shane's name to justify your actions.
That information you're posting can be looked up but its not meant to be used to harass or slander someone and certainly not to point the finger at someone else which you're good at doing..
You posted Murawski's name address and number in an attempt to get someone to do your dirty work for you and look what happened.

If you were a real man you'd go apologize in person and get off their backs for good.

stein's picture

REAL MEN

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

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Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

stein's picture

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

stein's picture

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

stein's picture

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

stein's picture

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

stein's picture

Ken Milano (before he went and edited this comment out to avoid the consequences of having wrote it) wrote:
I don’t have much sympathy for renters, for me, they are non citizens

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I did not infer anything I just notice you point fingers a lot and haven't answered why you read kids cellphones on the EL, specifically kids you claim cause trouble, which means you must have followed them and while the information you post is public its not meant for you to spread to the world! If you bothered to read any agreements you'd see that. Anyone can read this forum registered or not and you just supplied who knows how many sickos with it.
I never said stop reporting every crackhouse you come across but if you're going to be a private eye about it do your own dirty work not just posting a name and saying "Have at thee!"

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stein wrote:

God bless you Batman

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Kenzo wrote:
$10 says I'm gonna get compared to Sandusky / Hitler / Barbara Walters (one of the 3) before this thread hits page 3.

And still an answer can't be found...

dan

MargaretRose2011 wrote:
Dan should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen...
I printed this whole thread out before Dan could censor the posts

Given all your other posts, I find it quite astonishing that you object to my removing the address and phone number when requested to do so.

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Oh Margaret, take a chill pill. Seriously. Drama drama DRAMA. This isn't the street outside your front door. Keep your screaming matches over there, please.

No one is going to attack Mr. M or his wife. No one is going to creep on your precious, innocent and perfect teenagers on the el. No one is posting information without reason.

Mr. Kenzo said, more than once, that he did NOT suspect Mr. M was the owner of the business but that he looked to be the owner of the building and might be able to tell us about the owner of the business. But honestly? What sort of landlord lives just a few blocks from a building he owns and doesn't know that his tenant has plastered the entire front of the space with signs advertising an internet casino cafe? People had a right to be LOVEed about it and a right to start inquiring about how it got there. We all live here. Not just you. And not just Mr. M.

Although, I don't really understand why I'm bothering to engage with you...or why any of us are. We know who you are and all you ever do is try to start trouble.

Can you see my rolling eyes cresting over York Street as you read this?

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dan wrote:
MargaretRose2011 wrote:
Dan should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen...
I printed this whole thread out before Dan could censor the posts

Given all your other posts, I find it quite astonishing that you object to my removing the address and phone number when requested to do so.

I found it astonishing you allowed it in the first place. I'm sure it would be different if it was your info though.

dan

MargaretRose2011 wrote:
dan wrote:
MargaretRose2011 wrote:
Dan should be ashamed of himself for allowing this to happen...
I printed this whole thread out before Dan could censor the posts

Given all your other posts, I find it quite astonishing that you object to my removing the address and phone number when requested to do so.

I found it astonishing you allowed it in the first place. I'm sure it would be different if it was your info though.

Items are not moderated before they are posted.
Contrary to popular belief, I do not monitor every word, every minute.
I also don't know what addresses are business addresses and what are home addresses.

And I note, again, that I removed the info when I was notified of what was happening and was asked to remove it.

Dan Roth
2223 East York Street
215-634-4695

Stop by someday for coffee, but if my wife's home alone, please do not harass her.
Also, I'm not much of a morning person.
Thanks.

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dan

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dan

Um, I'd really prefer you not refer to any alleged bravery in relationship to testicles.

That said, I'm really not all that brave. I just figure there's no sense hiding what a large percentage of the neighborhood already knows and is readily available in the white pages.

Frankly, I don't think it was a good thing that the family's home address & phone were posted here.
However, I also think it's incorrect to say that I should have known that the contact info for a business is a private residence. And it's definitely incorrect to assume I was closely monitoring everything that was going on here and giving it my approval.

Even if I hadn't intervened and removed the address/phone, there still would have been no "sin of commission" on my part simply by virtue of presenting a forum where someone else was able to post that information.

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dan

Okay, now I am locking this thread because someone made a threat (which I deleted).
Chill out, folks.

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