Weird hotel flyer

zempf's picture

So we got a flyer in our mailslot yesterday (with some crappy grammar & awful spelling) with info about a proposed hotel where Beer City is now. Anyone else get that? What's that all about?

Pure_Fishtown's picture

OMG, this guy. The reason

OMG, this guy. The reason for the bad spelling and grammar (like I should talk) is because he is an immigrant.

A few years back, he came to the FNA for support of a check cashing business where the dry cleaner is now. He didn't get it.

He jumped through hoops to get the dry cleaning business.

If he really is thinking of putting up a hotel now, will that mean Dunkin Donuts will go too?

Do I think he'll get the support needed from the community for this transistion? NO.

Jabara Fractus's picture

The flyer you received is

The flyer you received is inaccurate and not endorsed or sponsored by the FNA Zoning Committee.

The owner of the property came before the committee a few weeks ago to discuss this project and to request a community meeting. The committee informed the owner that he would be notified when an opportunity to present to the community might be scheduled. The owner of the property posted flyers not endorsed by the FNA Zoning Committee stating that there would be a community meeting on February 12th about this project. To be clear, this was not endorsed by the committee and no meeting was held. The owner has again posted flyers stating that a meeting will be held on March 3. No such meeting has yet been scheduled and no meeting will take place on March 3 because it is a Monday. Official FNA Zoning Community Meetings are only scheduled for the first three Tuesdays of every month.

Official community zoning meetings are posted on this site, the FNA's website www.fishtownlife.com, and in both local newspapers. The Zoning Committee also posts flyers for meetings per the committee rules.

Please check these sources for any upcoming community zoning meetings.

Matt Brannon's picture

We printed a letter about

We printed a letter about this from AJ Thompson in this week's Spirit. Basically it said what Jabara Fractus wrote in the post before mine. I'm not sure what they were thinking they would accomplish by claiming there would be a meeting scheduled when there wasn't.

jobber's picture

Hey he wants to put a

Hey he wants to put a revolving restaurant on top! LOL!!! You could go in--get your beer a scratch off lottery and then check in and go up to the revolving restaurant!

I saw the original flyer he sent out--you think if he was going to put out phony flyers he would at least check the spelling. And he put the FNA Zoning info at the bottom of it. Slick

jmminarik's picture

I especially liked how 'pay

I especially liked how 'pay parking' was supposed to be a benefit. For who? Park for $x/day OR park on the street for free. Hmmm. Which would I choose?

-Joe

Jeffro's picture

Hey, I share an alley with

Hey, I share an alley with that hotel! If I knew there was gonna be paid parking I wouldn't have been doing all that free parking on the street like a sucker!

neilpuck's picture

He wants to make Berks and

He wants to make Berks and Girard the Times Square of Fishtown....

Kat's picture

neilpuck wrote:He wants to

neilpuck wrote:

He wants to make Berks and Girard the Times Square of Fishtown....

We could get our own version of the Naked Cowboy!

dan's picture

I wonder if it's even the

I wonder if it's even the property owner who put out the flyer.

Maybe it's a prankster, or someone who has a bone to pick with the guy.

Jabara Fractus's picture

It was the owner. He had

It was the owner. He had also posted the flyers and renderings in Beer City.

cosmo's picture

It also would helpful for

It also would helpful for people to note, that during our initial meeting with the developer at the FNA Zoning Committee in late January, we advised them that they were not ready to present the project to the community based upon the following observations:

1. The developer and architect must have a better understanding of the zoning code requirements, acceptable uses, and restrictions of a site that is zoned C-7.

2. The height and overall floor area of the proposed hotel tower are not appropriate for C-7 zoning. In C-7, the height limit is 35 feet.

3. The developer and architect did not appear to have a clear understanding of, or accommodation for, the volume of vehicular traffic or general requirements of a 175 room hotel with commercial spaces. The project does not consider that Berks Street is a relatively small one-way street that enters the neighborhood proper off of Girard Avenue , or that there is a trolley stop in the median of Girard Avenue , both of which will severely limit the vehicular site access options for a building of this size.

4. The drawings presented did not clearly demonstrate critical elements of the project, such as truck and service vehicle access, trash handling, loading docks, parking, turning radii, etc.

5. The project does not show an understanding of pedestrian activity, connectivity to the street and local context, or any relationship to neighboring buildings.

6. The idea of submerging commercial spaces 6 feet below grade along Girard Ave would not contribute to a vibrant commercial corridor.

The developer was also provided this in a letter, but chose to forgo the committee's advice and present the project as is, and what you are seeing being circulated on the flyers and will see on Tuesday March 4th.

dan's picture

Jabara Fractus wrote:It was

Jabara Fractus wrote:

It was the owner. He had also posted the flyers and renderings in Beer City.

That's incredible.

However, it's inspiring.
I think we'll replace the current church building with this new one:

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Seriously, if you were

Seriously, if you were coming to Philadelphia; would you book a room at Berks & Girard?

ronchito's picture

given that... - they were

given that...

- they were running a mortgage service out of their beer store for a while

- they gave me dirty looks every time that i've gone there to buy beer (which doesn't happen anymore)

- i had to go behind the counter to wake up the woman "working" in the dry cleaning store they own so that i could retrieve my clothes (which also doesn't happen anymore)

...i am not surprised to here any of this hotel nonsense. they don't seem to be the most savvy/responsible/alert/customer-service-oriented business owners.

Jabara Fractus's picture

I'd be on board for this one

I'd be on board for this one if the church at the top revolved.

zempf's picture

Come on man, they're going

Come on man, they're going to have a rotating restaurant! Who needs to think of little piddling details like service access or vibrant commercial corridors. IT SPINS, WHEE!

Thanks for the info on that, though. The whole flyer business sounded shady, I was mostly just curious to hear some more details on just HOW shady.

jobber's picture

On the original flyer--which

On the original flyer--which also had a petition attached to it supporting the hotel with revolving restaurant--it had DAYS INN AMERICA on the bottom of one of the drawings--I wonder if that was phony too because I don't think I have ever seen a Days Inn with a rooftop revolving restaurant.

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Makes you wonder if the

Makes you wonder if the rooms would be rented by the day or by the hour.

Ftown66's picture

I wouldn't put by the owner

I wouldn't put by the owner there trying to have a hotel there to try and take advantage of the casinos.

cosmo's picture

Pure_Fishtown wrote:Makes

Pure_Fishtown wrote:

Makes you wonder if the rooms would be rented by the day or by the hour.

This is exactly what came into my mind when the architect described this as a "...family hotel for people who don't want to pay Center City rates."

Everyone who comes to the community meeting for this will get the full experience of so many backwards thoughts that the developer and architect have of and for our neighborhood.

Pure_Fishtown's picture

The owner of the property,

The owner of the property, Raj, is a trip. Like I said earlier, we had dealings with him when he wanted his check cashing business and the dry cleaners.

To be fair to him, when he learned that the community would not support the check cashing business; he asked what would the community what type of business was needed.

I'm really surprised that he or anyone is pursuing a hotel on the property (which really isn't that big.)

dan's picture

Pure_Fishtown

Pure_Fishtown wrote:

Seriously, if you were coming to Philadelphia; would you book a room at Berks & Girard?

maybe.

as budget-conscious travelers, when my wife and I went to Paris several years ago, we stayed in a hotel in a similar neighborhood - it was a five minute walk to the metro and 20 minutes to the city center - and totally affordable

snailgem's picture

wouldn't you rather have a

wouldn't you rather have a hotel instead of a crappy beer store in an ugly lot?
and the construction is going to bring much-needed jobs to the area.

also, i saw the plans and it's going to be NICE.

Thad's picture

It would be great cause my

It would be great cause my wifes parents could stay there and not on our living room floor. plus they love beer and of corse love dunkin donuts. I think its gonna be a great positive force in our area! Plus you can almost walk to Hot potato CAfe or just take a cab to the septa stop. Welcome to the area, hotel!!!

Ftown66's picture

Within weeks of opening this

Within weeks of opening this thing would be a haven to hookers and partying teens. It would be just like the dive hotels on the roosevelt blvd. Buy the way I don't know that about the blvd hotels by expeience. Someone told me about it. :)

cosmo's picture

snailgem wrote:wouldn't you

snailgem wrote:

wouldn't you rather have a hotel instead of a crappy beer store in an ugly lot?
and the construction is going to bring much-needed jobs to the area.

also, i saw the plans and it's going to be NICE.

Development is always generally a good thing, but there are rules and regulations in place to protect the community against irresponsible development. This particular property is zoned C-7 for a reason; To limit what can be built at that site for very real reasons like what I stated earlier in this thread. The idea of a hotel in this area is not a bad idea. It is a bad idea for this property at Berks & Girard.

snailgem's picture

Ftown66 wrote:Within weeks

Ftown66 wrote:

Within weeks of opening this thing would be a haven to hookers and partying teens. It would be just like the dive hotels on the roosevelt blvd. Buy the way I don't know that about the blvd hotels by expeience. Someone told me about it. :)

this can be addressed by requiring the developer to set aside money for increased police presence in that area.

snailgem's picture

cosmo wrote:snailgem

cosmo wrote:
snailgem wrote:

wouldn't you rather have a hotel instead of a crappy beer store in an ugly lot?
and the construction is going to bring much-needed jobs to the area.

also, i saw the plans and it's going to be NICE.

Development is always generally a good thing, but there are rules and regulations in place to protect the community against irresponsible development. This particular property is zoned C-7 for a reason; To limit what can be built at that site for very real reasons like what I stated earlier in this thread. The idea of a hotel in this area is not a bad idea. It is a bad idea for this property at Berks & Girard.

so who's going to develop something worthwhile there? are we going to be stuck forever with a seedy beer store and a dry cleaners in a filthy, broken up lot?

codergrrl's picture

Can I live there... Beer,

Can I live there...
Beer, cigs, and coffee without ever leaving the place!
And a revolving view of I95, and East Kenzo, for those special evenings...
I'm all in.

jmminarik's picture

codergrrl wrote: I'm all

codergrrl wrote:

I'm all in.

Please keep gambling talk to the gambling threads. :-)