EKNA meeting Monday August 20th

yosh07's picture

This months EKNA meeting is @ the Coral Street Arts House- corner of Coral and Hagert Sts) and is starting at 6:30 pm.

The Captain of the 26th District will be there and NKCDC will be presenting a plan for new housing in the EKNA area.

:)

Kat's picture

I am really going to try to

I am really going to try to make this. How long do these metings usually last? (babysitting issues)

dan's picture

Kat, while I'm sure you're

Kat, while I'm sure you're welcome at EKNA meetings, I don't think you technically live in their serving area. Your area (Port Fishington / Cione / St Anne's) would be served by the newly-formed ORCA - Olde Richmond Community Association.

jmminarik's picture

dan wrote:would be served by

dan wrote:

would be served by the newly-formed ORCA - Olde Richmond Community Association.

Or whatever winds up being formed. The small sample population of people I've talked to from that "unincorporated" area seem leery of an organization that's reported existed for some time but no one has heard of. And the 'e' and the 'Richmond' annoys them. :-)

-Joe

dan's picture

jmminarik wrote:And the 'e'

jmminarik wrote:

And the 'e' and the 'Richmond' annoys them. :-)

The E bothers me too :)

NEW KENZO's picture

lots of peeps in your hood

lots of peeps in your hood attend ekna meetings Kat. East Kensington's office is in that area isnt it? Besides, only the FNA seems pre-occupied with boundaries for attendance etc. Often people in your neighborhood have expressed concerns for what goes on on their block and they were welcome to have the floor.

They usually get done around7:30/8pm. But just leave when you have to. Unfortunately, there's never any fights and this being at CSAH means no free beer.

alas, there'll be no free beer at ekna meetings probably until the end of the year (big drawn out s i g h )

jmminarik's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:Besides,

NEW KENZO wrote:

Besides, only the FNA seems pre-occupied with boundaries for attendance etc.

Ya can't win. I tell Kat the meetings are open to everyone on this forum, but ignorance still reigns supreme.

-Joe

dan's picture

I've always understood FNA

I've always understood FNA meetings to be open to all.
Official boundaries come into play only when votes are taken.

NEW KENZO's picture

dan wrote:I've always

dan wrote:

I've always understood FNA meetings to be open to all.
Official boundaries come into play only when votes are taken.

sorry, that was what I was thinking of. Oops. Im ignorant as f@!

dan's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:Im ignorant

NEW KENZO wrote:

Im ignorant as f@!

You're not that fat.

jmminarik's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:dan

NEW KENZO wrote:
dan wrote:

I've always understood FNA meetings to be open to all.
Official boundaries come into play only when votes are taken.

sorry, that was what I was thinking of. Oops. Im ignorant as f@!

I'm is spelled I'm, not im. ;-)

-Joe

Kat's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:lots of

NEW KENZO wrote:

lots of peeps in your hood attend ekna meetings Kat. East Kensington's office is in that area isnt it? Besides, only the FNA seems pre-occupied with boundaries for attendance etc. Often people in your neighborhood have expressed concerns for what goes on on their block and they were welcome to have the floor.

They usually get done around7:30/8pm. But just leave when you have to. Unfortunately, there's never any fights and this being at CSAH means no free beer.

alas, there'll be no free beer at ekna meetings probably until the end of the year (big drawn out s i g h )

Thanks NK - we can always come back to The Shire and drink beer after the meetings...:)

NEW KENZO's picture

jmminarik wrote:NEW KENZO

jmminarik wrote:
NEW KENZO wrote:
dan wrote:

I've always understood FNA meetings to be open to all.
Official boundaries come into play only when votes are taken.

sorry, that was what I was thinking of. Oops. Im ignorant as f@!

I'm is spelled I'm, not im. ;-)

-Joe

Yoor my favorite poster on the forum. REELLY.
Thanks for giving me the grate advise.

phillykip's picture

Kat - if you a babysitter,

Kat - if you a babysitter, just let us know.

jmminarik's picture

NEW KENZO wrote: Yoor my

NEW KENZO wrote:

Yoor my favorite poster on the forum. REELLY.
Thanks for giving me the grate advise.

Any time. It's what I do.

lauraska's picture

I'm going to try REALLY hard

I'm going to try REALLY hard to be there because I have some serious questions to ask the captain. NK, it MIGHT just get rowdy...but then again, there's no beer involved, so I might not have enough liquid courage to really unleash my anger.

NEW KENZO's picture

Also, Lauraska mentioned at

Also, Lauraska mentioned at the meeting how the police pointed her out to the people she was calling about. Then another person admitted that while some cop responses have been nice and friendly one time a cop actually told the person to F-off. I was really glad that all the people got involved with this and it became a long part of the meeting. The police were not ready for hearing what we thought. My neighbor mentioned how across the street from the meeting, there's a drug house that's been blatant about their business and cops just drive by after being called.

It is clear though, that the 26st doesn't have the manpower and are not really upgraded enough to reflect the changes in the neighborhoods. They're not able to bring fishtown, E.Kensington and the rest into the next stage. Hopefully the city will re-focus their priorities with this.

lauraska's picture

Well, having just come back

Well, having just come back from this 3 hour meeting, I'd like to thank the new Captain of the 26th for completely snubbing us and not appearing at the meeting. Instead she sent the community officer who is, quite frankly, useless, and a lieutenant who was only capable of repeating one line, "Oh, you should call 911 if that happens, but if you tell me about a problem house, I can put that on a list of places to look into."

The community officer told us that we should stop leaving valuables in our car, because she saw a BMW in NORTHERN LIBERTIES that got broken into because there was $500 in cash on the seat and a laptop in the back. Well guess what, lady...this ISN'T Northern Liberties and our issue is that these idiots are breaking into OUR HOMES. And when I said that I called 911 over and over with no results, I got no response from either officer. I also said that the cops need to stop just rolling by the address that we report to 911 and actually GET out of the car and knock on the door, or tell the folks making the noise outside to move along. She told me they don't have time for that.

THEN WHAT DO THEY HAVE TIME TO DO??? They have time to come to our community meetings and tell us they don't have time to do anything for us and that it's our job to police our own community. What a freakin' disgrace.

/rant

AM's picture

Welcome to the wonderful

Welcome to the wonderful world of Fishtown/East Kensington - doesn't it make you want to slam someone's head into a wall - I totally understand your frustration.

yosh07's picture

I also loved how the

I also loved how the lieutenant (when he finally decided to step in and save the failing community officer) started out by suggesting everyone at the meeting was "new to the area" and how lucky we are that things aren't worse. He went on and on about how this is how the area has always been and basically suggested that we were all making mountains out of mole hills.

When it was pointed out that our issues are all quality of life issues and drug house problems they just gave us blank looks and reminded us we needed to befriend our neighbors and look out for each other.
In the same breath they reminded us that "in this neighborhood" you shouldn't make a target of yourself.

I love how they didn't have any plans of improvement, no plans to add to the police force, add bike cops, ect, nothing.

REDICULOUS is putting it mildly.

Spiral's picture

A lot has been made in the

A lot has been made in the press and by the police this past year about the need for witnesses to come forth and tell the police what they know about murders. At high levels (the Mayor and Police commissioner) have to some extent blamed the unwillingness of witnesses to come forward for the ongoing murder spike. They blame the "don't snitch" mentality. But I can understand why people don't sntich- because they fear reprisal and don't trust the police to protect them because thier expereince with the police has been the same as described my many posters on this forum. In tha past they have called 911 and no one showed, so they fdon't trust the polcei to protect them. Then someone gets murdered and teh police show up asking people to come forward. Potential witnesses konw teh bad guys will be around, but based on past experience they don't believe the cops will come to protect them if called. TO them it appears that cops only show up after someone has died. Cops need to estalish trust with community members by showing up and doing something when called. Here is a story about a Philly cop that established trust with the community and therefore had no problems getting witnesses to come forward

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/20070821_Annette_John-Hall___Building_a_two-way_street_on_Phila_s_mean_streets.html

dan's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:It is clear

NEW KENZO wrote:

It is clear though, that the 26st doesn't have the manpower and are not really upgraded enough to reflect the changes in the neighborhoods. They're not able to bring fishtown, E.Kensington and the rest into the next stage. Hopefully the city will re-focus their priorities with this.

This is in process.

Pretty soon a significant part of the existing police power will be used up reflecting the change of having a slot parlor in the neighborhood.

This will undoubtedly bring us to the next stage.

NEW KENZO's picture

They did say that they were

They did say that they were enthusiastic about the addition of 4 bike cops coming soon.

Spiral's picture

I'm glad we could bring one

I'm glad we could bring one more thread back around to the casino issue. We should turn it into a competition.

lauraska's picture

I'm glad that there were so

I'm glad that there were so many people there who spoke out. I didn't want to be the only one. I felt very supported...up until one person said we should all be extremely grateful that the cops were there because they "didn't HAVE to be there." But I digress...thanks to everyone who spoke out (especially Tina!).

yosh07's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:They did say

NEW KENZO wrote:

They did say that they were enthusiastic about the addition of 4 bike cops coming soon.

I'm pretty sure they didn't mention where the 4 new bike cops would be centering their attention....I wonder..will it be where all the guns and shootings take place? You know..the same place that keep them from responding to the silly quality of life issues the "new" people to the area are having?

dan's picture

Spiral wrote:I'm glad we

Spiral wrote:

I'm glad we could bring one more thread back around to the casino issue. We should turn it into a competition.

LOL! Guilty as charged.

But I wasn't trying... it was just a strong, logical connection.

lauraska's picture

Well I think Dan has a

Well I think Dan has a point! If these cops can't even handle the every day issues of the people who live here, how are they going to handle the increase in need once a casino comes? And I'm not talking about a rise in crime because I think that all gamblers are criminals...but when you bring MORE people to an area, there are going to be MORE calls to 911. It's just a fact.

The cops were talking about all the development in the area. NKCDC is proposing a huge development push in East Kenzo that would bring 45 new families to the area. All of this will mean an influx of new people and an increase in need.

It seems to me that this is something that needs to be addressed with our representative or our mayor (not that it will help - keeping crime high keeps all of Mayor Street's friends in business).

AM's picture

yosh07 wrote:NEW KENZO

yosh07 wrote:
NEW KENZO wrote:

They did say that they were enthusiastic about the addition of 4 bike cops coming soon.

I'm pretty sure they didn't mention where the 4 new bike cops would be centering their attention....I wonder..will it be where all the guns and shootings take place? You know..the same place that keep them from responding to the silly quality of life issues the "new" people to the area are having?

Don't feel singled out Yosh - they ignore the quality of life issues the natives have too... We get the "well, you know how it is around here" remarks from the cops.

AJThomson's picture

I think all people have been

I think all people have been complaining about QOL issues in the area.

NEW KENZO's picture

The good thing was that

The good thing was that someone responded to the officer's brush off of that by stating the obvious: quality of life issues are key to a safe neighborhood and when ignored, often they lead to more serious crimes like gun shots... which the officers said they were too busy dealing with to respond to QOL calls to as much.

chicken and the egg? or chicken w/o a head?