AutoZone

octavedown's picture

Does anyone know what is happening with that supposed AutoZone constuction on Aramingo Avenue?

First it starts, then it stops, then it...?
Seems out of place among food type of businesses.

Just curious.

Kat's picture

I think it was supposed to

I think it was supposed to be an Auto Zone...but apparently it is now a canvas for taggers....

george's picture

Kat wrote:I think it was

Kat wrote:

I think it was supposed to be an Auto Zone...but apparently it is now a canvas for taggers....

Yep...it should be rechristened "Eyesore Zone"

Pathetic how it's just sitting there acquiring graffiti. Maybe a few of us should call the company and give them grief?

Ftown66's picture

I hope they do finish it. I

I hope they do finish it. I hate pepboys anymore. The people who work in that store are totaly incompetent. When you go to the parts counter for a part half the time they don't no what your talking about or they give you the wrong part. I guess they are more concerned selling mini motorcycles and everything else they sell that has nothing to do with cars.

Ftown66's picture

george wrote:Kat wrote:I

george wrote:
Kat wrote:

I think it was supposed to be an Auto Zone...but apparently it is now a canvas for taggers....

Yep...it should be rechristened "Eyesore Zone"

Pathetic how it's just sitting there acquiring graffiti. Maybe a few of us should call the company and give them grief?

Autozone is not the one's graffiting on the wall. So why give them grief. It's your kid's your neighbors kid's or someone in this areas kid's. So why blame autozone for what the dirtbag kid's in this area are doing.If someone graffits on your wall is that your fault?

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Ftown66 wrote:george

Ftown66 wrote:
george wrote:
Kat wrote:

I think it was supposed to be an Auto Zone...but apparently it is now a canvas for taggers....

Yep...it should be rechristened "Eyesore Zone"

Pathetic how it's just sitting there acquiring graffiti. Maybe a few of us should call the company and give them grief?

Autozone is not the one's graffiting on the wall. So why give them grief. It's your kid's your neighbors kid's or someone in this areas kid's. So why blame autozone for what the dirtbag kid's in this area are doing.If someone graffits on your wall is that your fault?

It's true that the kids who graffiti are primarily responsible. But, property owners are also responsible for maintaining their property. Occasionally, that means cleaning up a mess left by others.

The other issue here is ownership. Autozone will probably lease it, not own it. And since the property is not fully developed, they probably haven't even begun leasing it yet.

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Ftown66 wrote:george

Ftown66][quote=george wrote:

Autozone is not the one's graffiting on the wall. So why give them grief. It's your kid's your neighbors kid's or someone in this areas kid's. So why blame autozone for what the dirtbag kid's in this area are doing.If someone graffits on your wall is that your fault?

No, it's not my fault if someone defaces my wall. It IS my fault, however, if I just leave it there and let it remain an eyesore.

The property in question has sat as an empty shell for months now, with inadequate fencing and/or lighting to deter taggers. Since part of the answer to combating graffiti is to try to PREVENT it and--failing that--at the very least remove it quickly, I don't think it's asking too much of Auto Zone (or whoever owns the property) to do something more with the location than indifference.

Ftown66's picture

George why don't you and a

George why don't you and a group of your friends volunteer to repaint it since it seems to bother you so much. Then when you come back the next day and it's all hit up again you can repaint it again. Then so on and so on. I guess autozone is tempting the kid's by having a bare wall. And you wonder why business don't want to come to this area. When something happens you want to blame them for it and not the real people responsible. The animals who live in the area and their parents who let them do whatever they feel like.

UFO's picture

I think this highlights a

I think this highlights a difficult issue. Ftown66 is essentiall correct, that the perps are the kids and the parents that raised them. However, many of those people are essentially Teflon coated. They don't seem to respond to public pressure or legal repurcussions. So what to do then? Should building owners allow their property to remain graffitied simply because the perps can't be compelled to stop doing it or, once having done it, clean it up?

It's a hard call. Would it be fair to levy either the wages or the government subsidies of the perps to pay for the clean-up once the perp was identified? I don't think jail is the answer, because it costs the taxpayers money, and community service doesn't seem to work.

Spiral's picture

Ftown66: Quote:George why

Ftown66:

Quote:

George why don't you and a group of your friends volunteer to repaint it since it seems to bother you so much.

George isn't responsible for maintianing the austzone property. Its true AZ isn't responsible for the graffiti, but leaving a half finshed building and not maintaining it is somewhat irresponsible. But your right, it would probably just get tagged up again if cleand up. THats why they should do something with the property. Abandoned property seems to be a magnet for grafiti. The original question was if anyone knows whats going onwith it. So, does anyone know?

george's picture

I don't know how or why you

I don't know how or why you came to the conclusion that I don't blame the taggers. They're scum, OK?

But, again, if someone defaces MY property would the appropriate response on my part be doing nothing? Just leave it there? I don't think that's the kind of neighbor most people would prefer.

Look, if you want to get into general discussion about how to "deal" with the taggers that's fine. I'm 100% for harsher penalties being doled out to these brain-dead creeps.

But I believe this topic was specifically about one building on Aramingo Avenue that's been sitting unfinished for months and is being covered in graffiti as a result.

My opinion is that the property owners should fence the area, light it, and remove the grafitti rather than do absolutely nothing.

What's your solution?

Nunzio's picture

UFO wrote:I think this

UFO wrote:

I think this highlights a difficult issue. Ftown66 is essentiall correct, that the perps are the kids and the parents that raised them. However, many of those people are essentially Teflon coated. They don't seem to respond to public pressure or legal repurcussions. So what to do then? Should building owners allow their property to remain graffitied simply because the perps can't be compelled to stop doing it or, once having done it, clean it up?

It's a hard call. Would it be fair to levy either the wages or the government subsidies of the perps to pay for the clean-up once the perp was identified? I don't think jail is the answer, because it costs the taxpayers money, and community service doesn't seem to work.

Perhaps the perps (and their parents) can be sent a cleaning bill. If they don't pay it, place a judgment on them. The next time they try to refinance or sell their house, the judgment will have to get paid first. They can run away temporarily from the financial burden they place on others, but eventually, most will be forced to pay.

Ftown66's picture

The thing is right away

The thing is right away people were putting the blame on autozone when you are not even sure who owns the property. Before you start passing blame be sure you are blamming the right people. No where on that property does it say autozone. The people who most likely own that property are the owners of that whole parcel of land. They are the ones to complain to.

george's picture

Ftown66 wrote:The thing is

Ftown66 wrote:

The thing is right away people were putting the blame on autozone when you are not even sure who owns the property. Before you start passing blame be sure you are blamming the right people. No where on that property does it say autozone. The people who most likely own that property are the owners of that whole parcel of land. They are the ones to complain to.

Yes...which is why I said Auto Zone "or whoever owns the property" in my 2nd post on the topic.

And, agreed, it most likely is a singular owner for the entire parcel.

Ftown66's picture

Nunzio wrote: Perhaps the

Nunzio wrote:

Perhaps the perps (and their parents) can be sent a cleaning bill. If they don't pay it, place a judgment on them. The next time they try to refinance or sell their house, the judgment will have to get paid first. They can run away temporarily from the financial burden they place on others, but eventually, most will be forced to pay.

A lot of these parents still would not care. People like this more then half the time do not own their house , they rent so a levy against wouldn't effect them. In this neighbor hood there are a lot of white trash parents on welfare. Most of them don't take care of their own stuff what makes you think they give a crap of other people's property. They let their kids roam fishtown all hours of the night. then when something bad happens to one of their kid's they wonder why.

UFO's picture

george wrote: My opinion is

george wrote:

My opinion is that the property owners should fence the area, light it, and remove the grafitti rather than do absolutely nothing.

That's a fine idea.

lauraska's picture

Ftown66 wrote:I hope they do

Ftown66 wrote:

I hope they do finish it. I hate pepboys anymore. The people who work in that store are totaly incompetent. When you go to the parts counter for a part half the time they don't no what your talking about or they give you the wrong part. I guess they are more concerned selling mini motorcycles and everything else they sell that has nothing to do with cars.

It seems as if Pepboys is sketchy no matter where you go. Crash took our car to a Pepboys in Brooklyn (our OLD neighborhood...heh heh) and was given a quote that was almost twice what Midas ended up fixing it for. The guy at Pepboys even pulled him aside and said that if he bought all the parts at the auto store place nearby, and came back later in the day, he'd fix it for him "on the side." He's also been approached by "freelance" autobody dudes who tried to convince him to let them do bodywork on the car, right there on the sidewalk! Pepboys = scary.

UFO's picture

lauraska wrote:Pepboys =

lauraska wrote:

Pepboys = scary.

But they have those cool Manny, Moe and Jack giant heads on everything!

NEW KENZO's picture

I think the love in this

I think the love in this thread is all gone. Where's the love?

calling people scum and animals seems unfair. These people are ambitious, creative (practically muralists and this IS the mural city) and deterimined to get their name out there. They're not lazy. They're active. They add color to our otherwise drab streets. They're not killng people, pooping or puking on sidewalks or even opening casinos.

where's the love?

lauraska's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:I think the

NEW KENZO wrote:

I think the love in this thread is all gone. Where's the love?

calling people scum and animals seems unfair. These people are ambitious, creative (practically muralists and this IS the mural city) and deterimined to get their name out there. They're not lazy. They're active. They add color to our otherwise drab streets. They're not killng people, pooping or puking on sidewalks or even opening casinos.

where's the love?

Yeah but they are probably ALL homophobes. ;) Kidding.

As I've said in another thread about graffiti, I think the parents should be held responsible.

Ftown66's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:I think the

NEW KENZO wrote:

I think the love in this thread is all gone. Where's the love?

calling people scum and animals seems unfair. These people are ambitious, creative (practically muralists and this IS the mural city) and deterimined to get their name out there. They're not lazy. They're active. They add color to our otherwise drab streets. They're not killng people, pooping or puking on sidewalks or even opening casinos.

where's the love?

I apologize to all animals in the world. Compairing these people to animals is an insult to animals. If I think up something better to call them I let you know.

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lauraska wrote: As I've said

lauraska wrote:

As I've said in another thread about graffiti, I think the parents should be held responsible.

in a world where kids get caught, parents accept responsibility or even are aware of what their kids are doing 24/7 (which Im sure all posters here do or always will do when their kids are older because their parents always knew where they were and what they were doing...) YEAH, the parents, that will be the answer.

sure there's no shortage of bad parently or a lack of it which mostly results in vandalism and crime by youth. But, doesnt anyone suspect it's possible that there's also a ton of good parents that think their kids are just out with friends on a friday night but in reality kids go and do things other than go to the library or rollerscating?

How can " the parents should be responsible" be offered as a solution?

UFO's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:lauraska

NEW KENZO wrote:
lauraska wrote:

As I've said in another thread about graffiti, I think the parents should be held responsible.

in a world where kids get caught, parents accept responsibility or even are aware of what their kids are doing 24/7 (which Im sure all posters here do or always will do when their kids are older because their parents always knew where they were and what they were doing...) YEAH, the parents, that will be the answer.

sure there's no shortage of bad parently or a lack of it which mostly results in vandalism and crime by youth. But, doesnt anyone suspect it's possible that there's also a ton of good parents that think their kids are just out with friends on a friday night but in reality kids go and do things other than go to the library or rollerscating?

How can " the parents should be responsible" be offered as a solution?

I just want it noted that I was not the first one to "attack" Lauraska.

Ftown66's picture

The problem today is that a

The problem today is that a lot of the bad parents today where the bad kids of yesterday. I know some of these parents from my childhood. They have grown older but the have not really grown up. So how do we expect them to do a good job at raising their kid's. They don't know right from wrong themselves. Just imagine how their kid's are going to turn out. It's a never ending loop.

lauraska's picture

NEW KENZO wrote:lauraska

NEW KENZO wrote:
lauraska wrote:

As I've said in another thread about graffiti, I think the parents should be held responsible.

in a world where kids get caught, parents accept responsibility or even are aware of what their kids are doing 24/7 (which Im sure all posters here do or always will do when their kids are older because their parents always knew where they were and what they were doing...) YEAH, the parents, that will be the answer.

sure there's no shortage of bad parently or a lack of it which mostly results in vandalism and crime by youth. But, doesnt anyone suspect it's possible that there's also a ton of good parents that think their kids are just out with friends on a friday night but in reality kids go and do things other than go to the library or rollerscating?

How can " the parents should be responsible" be offered as a solution?

I think that's a valid point and I honestly don't know how to separate the parents that know what their kids are doing from the parents that don't. On the other hand, the kids that have been tagging my house are about 8-10 years old and come in the middle of the night. In that case, the parents don't need to know, or not know, what their kids are doing...those kids just shouldn't be outside at that hour at all. I do agree, though, that it's a hard line to draw.

Nunzio's picture

I think there has been an

I think there has been an abdication of the responsibility parents have in teaching their children right from wrong. Some parents don't care, but they need to care. Some parents don't want to invest the time and effort required to raise children. Supportive and attentive parents who demonstrate honesty and personal responsibility are powerful forces against the lure of drugs, vandalism, violence and other destructive, self-indulgent behaviors.

Parents need to be responsible for the actions of their children. They are the first line of defense. Are parents whose children do destructive things bad parents? No. It just means that whatever they were teaching their children has to change.

UFO's picture

Parents, though, are the

Parents, though, are the ones who have the most control over their kids in the eyes of the law until something comes along and changes that. So maybe a system of penalties that increase with each offence, so that attentive parents will not be slammed with a stiff fine but alerted to the problem, but the parents of repeat offenders will. If your child doesn't respond to your discipline and continues to indulge in criminal behavior, then there is a serious issue there that needs to be addressed by you as his parent. Just throwing up your hands and saying, "I can't control him because he's too (fill in the blank)" isn't enough, and at that point maybe Family Services needs to be called in, and the child needs to be removed from the home and given psychological help, behavior modification, whatever. Ineffectual parents do not get a free pass just because they love their child. Part of loving a child involves teaching the child to do the right thing and making sure he does it, and if you are incapable of doing that for whatever reason, the child needs to be removed from your care until you are capable of giving the child the appropriate upbringing. Lots of people raise their kids correctly, so we know it can be done.

(when I say "you" I don't mean anyone in particular...I'm just too lazy to go back and change all of the "you"s to "one"s...

lauraska's picture

This is a little bit off

This is a little bit off topic, but does PA have a legal mechanism whereby children who are out of control can be handed over to the state, not as juvenile delinquents but as "persons in need of supervision" (PINS), as we call them in NY?

Ftown66's picture

We have a thing called

We have a thing called 302'ed that is where you can have a family member or relative who is off the hook commited. The reason for this can vary from drugs and alcohol to anger and violence issues. But this only temporary they only hold them for a few weeks. Most of the time this accomplishes nothing.

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george wrote:I don't know

george wrote:

I don't know how or why you came to the conclusion that I don't blame the taggers. They're scum, OK?

Look, if you want to get into general discussion about how to "deal" with the taggers that's fine. I'm 100% for harsher penalties being doled out to these brain-dead creeps.

What's your solution?

Hi, I just want to quickly mention that these are some pretty harsh words for some pretty young kids. I think it is important to remember that a lot of these kids don't get attention, they are ignored at home and a lot do it for attention. It is sad really and it does make you angry, especially when it is your property getting tagged, My solution, I don't know. More activities for kids like Dan has at hos church and AJ does at FNA, understanding, remember what is motivating these kids to do what they do. I know some pretty great kids awith some pretty oblivious parents and I would hate to think they tag walls, but they probably do. Maybe some srt programs, a neighborhood mural the neighborhood kids can do as opposed to the Anti-graffitt network, Just remember, they are kids...

octavedown's picture

That's all great but does

That's all great but does anyone know if AZ is going to be finished or just sit there?