Fishtown Drug Spots

informer's picture

I don't remember exact houses or addresses, but here are some of spots that may or may not still be active in drug dealing around Fishtown. Of course, its been just over 5 years since I moved to Chicago, but these spots were very active then and I thought that I'd give neighbors a heads up to what may be going on around them:

Cedar and Dauphin and the tot lot. (Marijuana) (Open Air Dealing)

Cedar Street between Dauphin and Gordon on the right hand side. (Cocaine, heroin, and pills)

Cabot Street between Dauphin and York, every house on the block except one. (Cocaine, heroin, weed, and pills)

Dauphin Street, directly across from Cabot Street. (Weed)

Thompson Street, between Dauphin and Norris on the left hand side. (Weed)(This dealer is very dangerous, in an argument with someone who owed him money; he fired 2 shots from shotgun into the air at Thompson and Norris back in the late 90s)

Fishtown Rec (weed and pills)

Newts (weed)

Hewson Street between Thompson and Belgrade (weed)

Berks and Belgrade (weed)

Little court yard behind Holy Name School (weed)

Konrad Square (weed and pills)

Palmer and Belgrade (weed)

Port Richmond Village, empty store front used for security. The security guard was a drug dealer. Don’t know if the same guy is still there. (Weed)

Thompson and Marlborough (weed?)

Cedar and Norris (weed and pills)

Memphis and Norris (weed and pills)

Hagert Street, between Almond and Moyer on the right hand side (weed)

Some places that are not Fishtown in my book:

Pops Playground (weed)
Cedar and Cumberland (weed and pills)
Cione Playground (weed)
Douglas Schoolyard (weed)
Sepviva and Cumberland (weed)

AM's picture

All the dealers I am aware

All the dealers I am aware of deliver - I wish there was a number where I could report the phone numbers of dealers - my ex is an addict and has had numerous different dealers over the years - I have always kept a list of the numbers and know some of the names that go with them but the police form on the internet is designed more for locations ...

dan's picture

I think there's still a way

I think there's still a way to report the number.
Anybody know offhand?

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Becky's picture

I've lived in the "little

I've lived in the "little courtyard" behind the Holy Name school since last July. Apparently, the current situation is much better than it was five years ago, thanks to some diligent neighbors, a lot of floodlights, and a security camera.

I did sweep up a few plastic baggies last summer, but hopefully things will continue to improve as renovations to the remaining empty houses are completed and more people move in.

UFO's picture

towner215's picture

I want all of these scum

I want all of these scum bags gone too ... but we can NOT stop this .. its sad but true ..... unless they start making it more of a crime to buy drugs ????
LOok @ what they did with putting the "johns" names and pictures in the paper ... it cut the traffic ( dont know the numbers ) in the "high traffic" areas for the lovely hookers of our fair city .

AM's picture

Maybe we should put both the

Maybe we should put both the pictures of the users and the dealers in the paper.

PattiMey's picture

Maybe the Doctor's writing

Maybe the Doctor's writing the scripts should also be held accountable . Most of these so called doctors know whats going on after the so called patient leaves the office. Pills are the biggest problem with this area right now...these kids start out a weekend warrior popping a few pills and before they know it they can't afford the price of the Oxy or Perks so they start buying the cheaper high...DOPE.

AM's picture

I'm all for holding these

I'm all for holding these doctors accountable. I laugh at how many people I know who tell me they have bad backs and they have to go for their prescriptions. A junkie is a junkie even if they have a prescription for their drug of choice and a dealer is a dealer regardless of the fact they have M.D. after their name.

UFO's picture

AM: I'm all for holding

AM: I'm all for holding these doctors accountable. I laugh at how many people I know who tell me they have bad backs and they have to go for their prescriptions. A junkie is a junkie even if they have a prescription for their drug of choice and a dealer is a dealer regardless of the fact they have M.D. after their name.

Amen.

Guru's picture

I know about all of those

I know about all of those except Thompson and Marlborough and I know the 26th district knows about them.

AM's picture

They've been dealing weed at

They've been dealing weed at Thompson and Marlborough since I was in high school and that was a long time ago. If they are the same guys - they would be pushing 40 ....

AM's picture

Cabot Street has a few less

Cabot Street has a few less houses now but some things never change . . .except that now the dealers actually are buying up some houses and safely putting them in their parents' names. (I wonder if their parents wonder why - or don't they care?).

ALOCAL's picture

This thread is so far from

This thread is so far from bieng correct it is sad. Drugs are no longer bieng sold on cabot street, and nobody has baught a house, and put in thier parents name! Cabot is actualy bieng built up!!! The biggest problem with this thread is the person who started it has not lived here in 5 years. Alot has changed in five years around this neighborhood. As someone said the drugs are now bieng delivered to the customers.

I truley tink this thread is nothing more then a danger to the real estate market of the areas mentioned. If someone looking to buy a house in fishtown see's this thread. They will more then likely steer clear of all of these areas. Because of misinformation they have recieved from this thread.

dan's picture

ALOCAL wrote:The biggest

ALOCAL wrote:

The biggest problem with this thread is the person who started it has not lived here in 5 years.

That's certainly been my thought on the matter.

AM's picture

Unfortunately, my

Unfortunately, my experiences with Cabot Street are more recent and despite the unpopularity of exposing the dealers in the neighborhood, I stand by my post that while some things are changing on Cabot Street (like a few new houses going up), much remains the same. Why would anyone want to buy a property and have the pleasure of living next to a coke head or a heroin addict. The problem in this neighborhood is that the younger generation doesn't take dealing seriously - they seem to look at it more like a job instead of seeing it for what it is - a crime - and don't care if their profit comes at a high price - the destruction of families.

lauraska's picture

AM wrote:The problem in this

AM wrote:

The problem in this neighborhood is that the younger generation doesn't take dealing seriously - they seem to look at it more like a job instead of seeing it for what it is - a crime - and don't care if their profit comes at a high price - the destruction of families.

I dunno. I honestly think that selling some weed and some pills is WAY different than selling heroin or crack. In my line of work, I see parents who are addicted to drugs all the time. A mom who smokes a joint every day is not a drug addict, and usually capable of taking care of a kid...even if it's not the most ideal situation. A mother who is high on heroin, however, is a whole different story. Weed and vicodin are not destroying families...but crack and heroin are.

ofofhy's picture

lauraska wrote:Weed and

lauraska wrote:

Weed and vicodin are not destroying families...but crack and heroin are.

I have seen pills do some serious damage to families. And, I guess you don't agree with the term, "gateway drug?"

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AM's picture

I've seen so many young kids

I've seen so many young kids around here who pop pills like candy . . one to get up . . . one to sleep . . . one to just be high. Pills around here do destroy families - to see the parents of these kids crying at their children's funeral after they overdose is heartbreaking - trust me their families are destroyed. Around here the pill popping is way out of control. As far as pot goes, I would have to agree - I can't say I find weed to be as destructive as other drugs. I agree totally about crack and heroin. Cocaine, though not as deadly as crack and heroin, is also a major problem around here with the old-heads (mid to late 30's to 40's crowd). I have to admit I don't have any more compassion for the users than I have for the dealers.

Guru's picture

I haven't stepped foot into

I haven't stepped foot into Fishtown since July of 1999 and I can tell you right now that most of those spots are still active. I still have family and friends there that I talk to almost daily. For the record, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Cabot street is still very active in the neighborhood drug trade.

Sweeping the problem under the rug in order to keep property values high is the worse thing that anyone can do. Ignoring the problem isn't going to make it go away.

As for weed not being a problem, nothing could be further from the truth in Fishtown. I hung around with the "gangs" in the early 90s. Every one smoked weed and popped vicoden and xanax. Now, half of my best friends are dead or addicted to harder drugs. The problem with that is that all the drug overdoses and deaths from herion, oxycontin, and other drugs all have something in common. They ALL started using weed and moved on to other drugs.

AM's picture

I wonder if the dealers and

I wonder if the dealers and their cronies think we're either too dumb or too afraid to speak out about them. I don't care if their property values plummet. Get a real job - one that doesn't involve contributing to the destruction of lives.

lauraska's picture

ofofhy wrote:lauraska

ofofhy wrote:
lauraska wrote:

Weed and vicodin are not destroying families...but crack and heroin are.

I have seen pills do some serious damage to families. And, I guess you don't agree with the term, "gateway drug?"

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Long Road Ahead

It's not an all-or-nothing principle. Not everyone that smokes pot goes on to be a crackhead. I just think it's ridiculous to say that all drug use is bad and all drug users are evil. Drug dealers? They are bad. But usually for reasons other than the fact that they are selling drugs. They are often also abusive, murderous, opportunistic, scumbags.

For some people, weed is a gateway drug to drug addiction, for some it's a gateway drug to harmless experimentation (as it was for me), and for others it's not a gateway at all. As for pill popping, maybe I just don't realize how serious a problem it is in Philly.

UFO's picture

Drug use is not a problem.

Drug use is not a problem. Usage becomes a problem when it becomes "abuse". There are many, many professional people who use drugs recreationally. The problems happen when users aren't disciplined enough to know when not to do drugs (school, work, driving, can't afford them, etc.) or when they become a bigger and bigger part of the person's life.

The tendency to abuse drugs and alcohol is usually learned. If the parents, realatives and/or neighbors drink or get high in front of the kids, and are drunk or high frequently, the kids inherit that value system. They see that's it's okay and "adult" to get drunk and high and out of control.

Fishtown seems to love its drink and its drugs, so it's no mystery why many kids get involved with it...and why there is so much user-end drug trade on the corners.

Next Door Niebuhr's picture

Response To: "Drug dealers?

Response To:
"Drug dealers? They are bad. But usually for reasons other than the fact that they are selling drugs. They are often also abusive, murderous, opportunistic, scumbags."
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Whoah. I had to jump in here. This is my first time posting - I will introduce myself later.

I probably won't make a lot of friends by saying this but I see drug dealers in more morally conflicted terms than does lauraska. I moved to East Kensington from West Kensington almost two years ago. In my experience working with young people through a local church, I spent a lot of time getting know teens and young people who were involved in the drug trade. At first, I thought all people who dealt drugs were pure evil. After living in West Kensington for nearly 10 years, I came to realize the devastating impact that de-industrialization (the relocation good factory jobs to Southern states and developing countries) on Kensington as a whole. Job opportunities that offer a living wage are nearly non-existent over there. This has forced many to make very difficult choices. Some have unfortunately recognized narcotics sales as a legitimate opportunity for making a living. I have come to know personally a number of young people who have made this tragic choice. Out of the 10 kids I worked with most closely, 6 of them have served jail time for dealing. They could simply not recognize or find other options. Many were supplementing family income and suporting siblings or children through drug dealing. A couple of them have become brutal, violent and ruthless, but they did not start out that way.

I remember that every Sunday on the block I lived on was Mother's Day at the drug corner. What that meant was that local moms who were unemployed were given the opportunity to deal on the corner and they could keep the proceeds to support their family. The leader of the local corner offered this as an opportunity to, in his words, "help the community." This same guy tried to stop dealing on numerous occasions and even tried to use his proceeds from the drug trade to start his own legal car towing business. A few months into his new profession, he was violently beaten and robbed of his money by former rivals. In order to support his family and pay off his medical bills, he again felt the need to return to the corner and pursue his old business which was much more lucrative. It is not easy to leave the drug trade.

In no way do I want justify drug dealing in this neighborhood or in any neighborhood. I recognize how drug activity ravages a neighborhood and destroys lives. Believe me, I have done my part to disrupt drug activity over the years and have taken risks. I simply want to ask for the recognition that even drug dealers are human beings. Perhaps that situation is very different here on the East side of Kensington than on the West. Perhaps it is not desparation to survive but simply greed that drives people to deal drugs over here. Call me a liberal, but I think it is important to consider the contributing social/ecnonomic and even psychological factors that contribute the choices that individuals make.

dan's picture

I think both of you are

I think both of you are right.

There are, indeed, many involved in the drug trade who are vicious. There are also those who are pushed by circumstances, and who would otherwise be charming. And, for that matter, there are also people who are charming at times and brutal when "business" is involved.

And, BTW, welcome to the boards Mr. "I'll Introduce Myself Later"... I got you figured out. :)

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Next Door Niebuhr's picture

By the way, I don't want to

By the way, I don't want to make it seem like I am attacking you, lauraska, I mostly like your thoughtful comments - I just felt compelled to address your wording in that particular line.

Dan, you're just too smart for me :) I can't sneak anything past ya.
peace out,
Dave

tudor's picture

Well, Next Door, I don't

Well, Next Door, I don't think anyone can really say that narcotics sales are "a legitimate opportunity for making a living." That is really the limit.

Guru's picture

Next Door Niebuhr wrote:This

Next Door Niebuhr wrote:

This same guy tried to stop dealing on numerous occasions and even tried to use his proceeds from the drug trade to start his own legal car towing business.

A towing business, huh? One of 5 businesses that drug dealers like to use as fronts. Tow companies, along with restaurants/bars, coin-op laundromats, small grocery stores, and general contracting, make great fronts for drug dealers. These businesses thrive on cash and its relatively easy to hide drug income as income from the legitimate business.

And for trying to stop the drug sales, could it have been that he was simply trying to protect his turf?

lauraska's picture

Next Door Niebuhr wrote:By

Next Door Niebuhr wrote:

By the way, I don't want to make it seem like I am attacking you, lauraska, I mostly like your thoughtful comments - I just felt compelled to address your wording in that particular line.

Dan, you're just too smart for me :) I can't sneak anything past ya.
peace out,
Dave

No offense taken! Working in child welfare, I definitely see the awful choices that people are forced to make as a result of poverty. I mostly see mom's who rent out rooms in their apartments to drug dealers, users, and cutters, because they are desperate for money to both support their kids and their drug habits. Very often, the situation results in one or more of their children being abused by the people who come in and out of the apartment. I definitely realize that drugs (abuse or sales) are not always avoidable.

Welcome!

UFO's picture

It's kinda like excusing the

It's kinda like excusing the wife beater by accepting his reason, "She just WOULDN'T LISTEN! I had no choice!!!"

lms2357's picture

I had to respond to what

I had to respond to what sounds like a pity party for these dealers who made "awful choices that people are forced to make as a result of poverty" Are you kidding me?? There are other choices that could be made, like staying in school and getting a "normal" part time job. It stinks to have to make $6 an hour but that's life. These dealers don't want that type of money. They support their families? Who pays for their medical insurance or do they have some type of rates for dealers? Think about the others who didn't take that path. The successful people I know went to school (even lousy ones), worked at menial jobs, then graduated or went into the military. These choices that these dealers make because of their "unfortunate" circumstances kill too many people. No one and nothing pushed them into it BUT greed. Greed is the same in West Kensington as it is in East. They don't deserve pity about their doctor bills because they don't pay them, I do. There are other opportunities out there, but they're only there for the people who want to improve their lives the LEGAL way.