Garbage Fee

shellibird's picture

How do people feel about the garbage fee? What about those that put out 1 bag versus 5 bags. What is your impression of this new "fee?" Don't we pay enough for everything. What happens when a landlord doesn't pay? They don't pick up the garbage? I mean, is the city going to send a list around with the garbage men on who should be picked up and who not, and what about those that add garbage to someone who does pay? What happens then? Let me know your thoughts.

stein's picture

We apparently do not pay

We apparently do not pay enough for everythign if the city is facing a huge budget deficit, especially since people are adamant about not shutting down city services like libraries. Thus more fees. whatever. roll them into the property taxes and be done with it.

dan's picture

It's a $260/yr per household

It's a $260/yr per household tax.

lauraska's picture

I'm in.

I'm in.

jmminarik's picture

stein wrote:roll them into

stein wrote:

roll them into the property taxes and be done with it.

Just like the split out school/city on our property taxes, they'll do the same with this however they bill it. This way they can raise the fee next year without 'increasing taxes'. Or if you're not cynical, this is just a level of transparency. :-)

netable's picture

stein wrote:We apparently do

stein wrote:

We apparently do not pay enough for everythign if the city is facing a huge budget deficit, especially since people are adamant about not shutting down city services like libraries. Thus more fees. whatever. roll them into the property taxes and be done with it.

I think we PAY TONS! Start collecting City Wage Tax from Welfare and SSI, recipients' Im sure that will Help get us out of the slum were in,

But Oh we can't do that' Lets just penalize the people that work their bums off everyday' while the welfare recipients SIT on their bums and do nothing'

Hey I got an ideal' to keep from being taxed make the welfare recipients volunteer to pick up our trash and clean our streets' if they dont then their check gets cut, at least they will EARN the free money that they are being handed..........

2014 susquehanna's picture

Any fee not included in

Any fee not included in property tax will cause people to dump their trash all over the city. I don't have a problem with property tax increases...especially on vacant lots. Raise the minimum property tax to $500 per year first. That might get a few speculators to rethink holding lots for 20 years.

lauraska's picture

2014 susquehanna wrote:Any

2014 susquehanna wrote:

Any fee not included in property tax will cause people to dump their trash all over the city. I don't have a problem with property tax increases...especially on vacant lots. Raise the minimum property tax to $500 per year first. That might get a few speculators to rethink holding lots for 20 years.

Yeah that's my fear, too. Raise the fee and it'll be more than just one person per block shoving all their garbage into the storm drain every week.

th's picture

I know there are some

I know there are some communities elsewhere who pay per bag of garbage picked up. But NOT for recycling. I think that could be a good idea. It encourages us all to generate less trash and put out more recycling.

jmminarik's picture

th wrote:I know there are

th wrote:

I know there are some communities elsewhere who pay per bag of garbage picked up. But NOT for recycling. I think that could be a good idea. It encourages us all to generate less trash and put out more recycling.

This encourages most if not all of US, as in fishtown.us, but this would lead many in the city to just start short dumping their trash. I agree with your idea, just don't think it would work.

As mentioned in the article and in this thread, the 'fee' would be included in the property tax or other such bill. That would mean most if not almost all would wind up paying it...it would just be detailed out as a fee so it's well known when it goes up.

stein's picture

I do love that the first

I do love that the first group someone tries to blame for this is welfare recipients. There isn't a problem that can't be traced back to poor people if you try hard enough.

Becky's picture

I like the fee idea but

I like the fee idea but think it should be structured to encourage people to put out less trash (i.e., not a flat fee). I grew up in a town where you got to put out a certain number of bags--anything over that required a garbage ticket, which you could purchase downtown.

I know it would be logistically harder to do something like that in Philly, but some of the ideas on this "pay as you throw" blog entry were pretty good: http://whyy.org/blogs/itsourcity/2009/02/15/is-it-time-for-philly-to-pay-as-you-throw/

Also, we could keep the weekly recycling and make trash pickup bi-weekly.

lauraska's picture

stein wrote:I do love that

stein wrote:

I do love that the first group someone tries to blame for this is welfare recipients. There isn't a problem that can't be traced back to poor people if you try hard enough.

Oh good...at least one person who was as appalled by that "commentary" as I was. Thank you.

dan's picture

I certainly don't blame

I certainly don't blame trash issues on welfare recipients.

However, I'm also a big proponent of workfare.

lauraska's picture

No one's arguing about the

No one's arguing about the benefits of workfare. I support it, too.

Cajunmoon's picture

As Dan stated it amounts to

As Dan stated it amounts to a fee of $260.00 annually per household. The best suggestion I heard was to roll it into the taxes like a lot of municipalities do showing it as a separate line item incorporated in the entire bill.

If you think about it, it could generate a lot of income. Single family homes would pay it and for those folks in multi-family buildings such as condominiums and the like each resident would/should bear the same cost and not a blanket fee for the building to be fair for folks in single family residences. Perhaps tack an additional couple of bucks onto hotel guests to allow our guests to assist in keeping the city clean.

Pointing the finger of blame at welfare recipients is lame at best as I see many well to do folks that are thoughtless pigs with their trash heaving it out of cars and dropping it along their path as they walk. To the contrary there are those less fortunate that value what they have and where they are that want to care for their surroundings while the more fortunate folks squander aimlessly and feel that the world is their dumpster.

netable's picture

stein wrote:I do love that

stein wrote:

I do love that the first group someone tries to blame for this is welfare recipients. There isn't a problem that can't be traced back to poor people if you try hard enough.

Love how You All turn it around like someone is Blaming the Welfare recipients'

I said tax their Checks,

tudor's picture

The question of how it would

The question of how it would be collected is really beside the point. It almost has to go on the property tax bill. It's just not like a utility bill that you can charge separately. What are they going to do if you don't pay your garbage bill--take your garbage can away?

netable's picture

lauraska wrote:No one's

lauraska wrote:

No one's arguing about the benefits of workfare. I support it, too.

So then what are you argueing?

Your so appalled, What are you apalled about?

Because it bothers me that my City Wage Tax may be higher, and I feel as though able bodied people collect welfare and sit in their Bums, when they actually have all the free time in the world and show their appreciation by what they are getting and they could volunteer their time' that is otherwise spent sitting in front of the TV or, standing on a Corner.

Ooops did I say something wrong??? Oh My, will this Post be deleted too, because somebody's cards were pulled.......

What is apalling, is that there are other People who have opinions' and fortunately not everyone thinks or agrees with you, even if Laura doesn't think anyone else is entitled to their opinion, we are' no matter how apalling they may be, we are all entitled.

Some advice' if you get so bothered and apalled by my opinions or thoughts, don't read them, put me on your ignore list' I mean rather then say how appalled you are, or your other "Ugly" remarks and then when I respond you delete my post' because maybe someone else just may see things the way they really are, besides you manipulating them in your favor' it would save you some energy by just putting me on ignore,

Actually, I should have saved my energy because obviously, this will probably be deleted...........

th's picture

Cajunmoon wrote: Pointing

Cajunmoon wrote:

Pointing the finger of blame at welfare recipients is lame at best as I see many well to do folks that are thoughtless pigs with their trash heaving it out of cars and dropping it along their path as they walk.

That's true. I got a job and I litter A LOT.

stein's picture

See, you are indeed blaming

See, you are indeed blaming welfare recipients for the budget deficit and therefore the potential garbage fee. just own it.

netable's picture

stein wrote:See, you are

stein wrote:

See, you are indeed blaming welfare recipients for the budget deficit and therefore the potential garbage fee. just own it.

Im not blaming them for the City Crisis' that has to do with Bad City Controllers'

But instead of me having to pay more for services, start charging the people who don't pay anything, and get "more" City services' then someone like me who PAYS for them!

stein's picture

of course you aren't.

of course you aren't.

netable's picture

stein wrote:of course you

stein wrote:

of course you aren't.

I'm actually blaming people like you.....

stein's picture

Thats cool, because I get

Thats cool, because I get pleasure out of the thought that the garbage fee is going to affect your life adversely.

(ps. i hope our dogs can still be friends!)

netable's picture

stein wrote:Thats cool,

stein wrote:

Thats cool, because I get pleasure out of the thought that the garbage fee is going to affect your life adversely.

(ps. i hope our dogs can still be friends!)

My dogs can be friends with whoever they want =)

netable's picture

stein wrote:Thats cool,

stein wrote:

Thats cool, because I get pleasure out of the thought that the garbage fee is going to affect your life adversely.

(ps. i hope our dogs can still be friends!)

And shame on you' that extra $5 a week will take a bag of treats away from Sebastian..........

stein's picture

does it help if i wasn't

does it help if i wasn't being serious?

netable's picture

stein wrote:does it help if

stein wrote:

does it help if i wasn't being serious?

Whatever floats your boat.............

netable's picture

netable wrote:stein

netable wrote:
stein wrote:

does it help if i wasn't being serious?

Whatever floats your boat.............

Ooops forgot the =)