Idiot kids breaking windows

jessv's picture

So a few of my block's finest just broke a couple of windows in the abandoned house next to mine. Up until now, it's been empty but pretty secure-apparently the owner is an investor waiting to sell. He doesn't live around here and I've never met him. Thanks to these kids, the front (street facing) window and basement windows are busted. Considering the number of junkies we have, I'd rather close up these portals rather than give them an opportunity. My question is - who can I report this to to compel the owners to fix it? My husband will board it up- but I don't want us to get in trouble or be liable.

And, sigh, before anyone asks, I didn't call the copsbecause i've seen what happens to my neighbors who do.

lauraska's picture

I completely understand your

I completely understand your concerns about calling the cops, but you CAN do it anonymously. But the only way for us to get more police, to up the number of patrols so that there is more of a police presence, is to call 911. That's how they track statistics for the neighborhood.

L&I would be the people to call about the owner's failure to secure his own house. I don't think you are supposed to board up houses yourself, but with L&I's poor response rate, I don't blame you. Oh, and they won't do it at all if you are the only one that calls. So get your neighbors/friends/cousins to call until they can't stand it anymore...and then maybe they'll come out in a couple weeks for ya. :) I'm not trying to be a jerk...I swear...just speaking from experience.

Someone needs to catch those kids and teach them a lesson.

codergrrl's picture

Call the 3-1-1 number.

Call the 3-1-1 number.

jessv's picture

ooh, 311. thanks. i'll give

ooh, 311. thanks. i'll give that a try!

i've called the cops anonymously before - when i lived in apt next to an abusive couple. i called 911 from my cell phone, and i said that i want this to be anonymous, i don't know what they'll do to ME if they find out i called the cops. what did the police do? sat on my buzzer for 30 minutes before i came downstairs to talk to them. i have little faith in that, and i'm trying to get OUT of this hood - i don't need snitch spraypainted across my door (which happened to a neighbor around the corner last year). i debated calling them last night when all this was going on, and i hate the fact that i have to THINK before calling the police. it sucks.

i'm also reluctant to talk to these kids' parents (aka my neighbors) - they know where they are, they just don't care what they're doing. i miss the old days where my parents could strike the fear of god into me just by looking at me sideways.

they DO need to learn a lesson,

jessv's picture

oh, 311. after sitting on

oh, 311. after sitting on hold for 9 minutes, and being promised my call is important to them, i got the typical philadelphia city employee.

l+i is next on my list.

if anyone knows anyone looking to move into the neighborhood, let me know ;)
my time here is coming to an end.

th's picture

I've gotten a pretty quick

I've gotten a pretty quick response from L&I before (not overnight, but fairly quickly). In my complaint I told them that kids were setting small fires in the property. That seemed to get their notice.

waxmeister24's picture

Where did this all happen??

Where did this all happen?? I'm moving into the area soon and i'm concerned!

jessv's picture

waxmeister, on thompson

waxmeister, on thompson st.

kids in the hood have been my ONLY complaint in the few years that we've lived here. i've lived all over the city and while there seems to be a bit more petty crime here (vacant houses getting their windows broken, etc) i've always felt safer here than the bunch of years i lived downtown.

teener's picture

you know what that SUCKS. If

you know what that SUCKS. If you want, I will PM you my phone number, and next time you can call me and I will drive by your location and call the police from my cell phone from down the block. Then you don't have to worry.

Or even better when you call the cops don't tell them your address just say you are a concerned and live "nearby" but you want to remain anon. They can't knock on your door if you don't tell them where you live.

jessv wrote:

ooh, 311. thanks. i'll give that a try!

i've called the cops anonymously before - when i lived in apt next to an abusive couple. i called 911 from my cell phone, and i said that i want this to be anonymous, i don't know what they'll do to ME if they find out i called the cops. what did the police do? sat on my buzzer for 30 minutes before i came downstairs to talk to them. i have little faith in that, and i'm trying to get OUT of this hood - i don't need snitch spraypainted across my door (which happened to a neighbor around the corner last year). i debated calling them last night when all this was going on, and i hate the fact that i have to THINK before calling the police. it sucks.

i'm also reluctant to talk to these kids' parents (aka my neighbors) - they know where they are, they just don't care what they're doing. i miss the old days where my parents could strike the fear of god into me just by looking at me sideways.

they DO need to learn a lesson,

Check it out- Pops Playground has a website @ http://www.popsplayground.org

Pure_Fishtown's picture

teener wrote:you know what

teener wrote:

you know what that SUCKS. If you want, I will PM you my phone number, and next time you can call me and I will drive by your location and call the police from my cell phone from down the block. Then you don't have to worry.

Or even better when you call the cops don't tell them your address just say you are a concerned and live "nearby" but you want to remain anon. They can't knock on your door if you don't tell them where you live.

If you call 911, they know where you live and sometimes give your address to the patrol car. When your call is answered at 911, the operator can see your name, address and telephone number on their display. I'm not familiar with 311.

2014 susquehanna's picture

That does suck. Isn't there

That does suck. Isn't there a town watch in Fishtown? This is the sort of thing that a group should go talk to the parents about.

teener's picture

When our street was a real

When our street was a real mess and I worried about retribution from the police I would get in my car and drive a block or two away then call from my cell. You can always have an impromptu visit to Coldstone Cremery or something while your at it. I dunno, I just find intimidation tactics more infuriating then scary at this point.

Pure_Fishtown wrote:
teener wrote:

you know what that SUCKS. If you want, I will PM you my phone number, and next time you can call me and I will drive by your location and call the police from my cell phone from down the block. Then you don't have to worry.

Or even better when you call the cops don't tell them your address just say you are a concerned and live "nearby" but you want to remain anon. They can't knock on your door if you don't tell them where you live.

If you call 911, they know where you live and sometimes give your address to the patrol car. When your call is answered at 911, the operator can see your name, address and telephone number on their display. I'm not familiar with 311.

Check it out- Pops Playground has a website @ http://www.popsplayground.org

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Teener, you reminded me of

Teener, you reminded me of something. I was at Delaware around Tioga one day and had to call 911 from my cell; IT WAS THE NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE not Philadelphia. After some investigating, it seems the closest tower to that location is in New Jersey. So, if you really want to confuse the issue; go very near the river, you might get a Jersey tower.

dclxvi's picture

lauraska wrote:I completely

lauraska wrote:
I completely understand your concerns about calling the cops, but you CAN do it anonymously. But the only way for us to get more police, to up the number of patrols so that there is more of a police presence, is to call 911. That's how they track statistics for the neighborhood.

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If you call 911 you will get a Police response. If you are unable or unwilling to be a complainant or "snitch" on the kids - the job would pretty much be written up vandalism or an investigation of property. The recording of that is vital, but it won't bring more police to the 26th Dist.

Laura has been convinced that calling 911 as many times as possible will bring more cops to the district which is untrue - it's the amount of founded/violent crime calls that would cause the city to increase the Police in the 26th.

As it stands, the 26th is a "B" district - not one of the more violent districts in the city. When officers graduate the academy they are placed into one of those nine districts before any other.

Best bet is to call both 911 and 311. 911 can write the Police report, 311 can direct you to the proper city agency that would fix the property and/or fine the owner.

george's picture

It sucks you are dealing

It sucks you are dealing with this but one thing I would DEFINITELY do (if you have a good relationship with your neighbors) is to also enlist them in calling the police and/or confronting these destructive morons face-to-face.

It's a collective quality-of-issue for you and EVERY responsible neighbor around you. Strength in numbers, y'know? Be a pest with the police. You are paying THEM to not just take your call, but put a stop to it. It's their job. If they can't do it then we need to find new officers who can.

Good luck. You have plenty of allies here.

michaellouis's picture

dclxvi wrote:lauraska

dclxvi wrote:
lauraska wrote:

I completely understand your concerns about calling the cops, but you CAN do it anonymously. But the only way for us to get more police, to up the number of patrols so that there is more of a police presence, is to call 911. That's how they track statistics for the neighborhood.

If you call 911 you will get a Police response. If you are unable or unwilling to be a complainant or "snitch" on the kids - the job would pretty much be written up vandalism or an investigation of property. The recording of that is vital, but it won't bring more police to the 26th Dist.

Laura has been convinced that calling 911 as many times as possible will bring more cops to the district which is untrue - it's the amount of founded/violent crime calls that would cause the city to increase the Police in the 26th.

As it stands, the 26th is a "B" district - not one of the more violent districts in the city. When officers graduate the academy they are placed into one of those nine districts before any other.

Best bet is to call both 911 and 311. 911 can write the Police report, 311 can direct you to the proper city agency that would fix the property and/or fine the owner.

Laura is convinced because she, I and many other people on the board (is that grammatically correct) have been told by the police, in person, that we should call 911 for every type of thing like this. We were told that calling the police more will put us in better position to get more cops. They said this includes things that are not serious violent offenses (which was of course asked about a the time). I guess you might have some sort of information than us.

With the advent of 311 things are probably now different but it's not like we've had 311 for much time now.

lauraska's picture

Okay, so don't call the

Okay, so don't call the cops. We'll get new ones by osmosis.

Plus there's the magical unicorns that patrol York Street. So we should be fine.

workerbee's picture

We need to use gang

We need to use gang mentality for good.

As in "Strength in Numbers"

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911 creates a record of the call

311 may get someone as follow up

Keep a log

People in authority love paperwork

Plus they can match it to the call records and see there is a problem

Also

They can see your name and address and phone number
Yes, even on a cell phone .. unless it is not yours or a throw away.
This information is unblocked when calling 911

If you start your call with your name, address and the fact you don't want your neighbors to know who called .. they will take you serious and you may have legal recourse if they release your personal information without authorization.

We all need to grow a spine and not allow these idiots continue or allow the police ... our employees .. to infringe on our safety and comfort level in our homes.

Once again ... Strength in Numbers

Kat's picture

lauraska wrote:Okay, so

lauraska wrote:

Okay, so don't call the cops. We'll get new ones by osmosis.

Plus there's the magical unicorns that patrol York Street. So we should be fine.

These are the magical unicorns that you speak about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

dclxvi's picture

Michelle & Laura - I

Michelle & Laura - I understand what you're saying - these officers told you that & I do not necessarily disagree with what they said. They do determine where cops go based on the amount of calls & severity of crimes...

here's a break down of the amount of calls answered in the city from each district:
01 - 44970** / 02 - 86291**
03 - 47369** / 04 - 59712**
05 - 33619** / 06 - 73153**
07 - 51015** / 08 - 63019**
09 - 67262** / 12 - 113161*
14 - 105345* / 15 - 145796*
16 - 74117** / 17 - 63297**
18 - 92829** / 19 - 106498*
22 - 90128** / 23 - 60516**
24 - 112298* / 25 - 144282*
26 - 84416** / 35 - 119609*
39 - 91312**

11 Districts answered more radio calls than the 26th and there are 11 districts that answered less radio calls than the 26th District. The 26th - as usual - is smack dab in the middle as far as calls/crime go.

Right now the Commissioner & the Mayor are more concerned with putting as many people into the top 9th Districts, where as they neglect the rest of the city.

Consider that the 22nd District is one of the smallest Districts in the city - has some of the highest numbers of violent crime percentage wise for each radio call and has a much smaller tax paying base than say the 07th District - which only has half as many calls and is at least 4 times larger than the 22nd.

The officers aren't lying, but they're not telling you the new manpower isn't going to the 2-6. I know this information because I'm a cop and they've been using the "we'll get more cops with more calls" for years now.

I also want to say I never told anyone not to call 911 - I think you should for your safety, for your neighbors safety and, I hate to say it, the safety of those breaking the law. whether it's one call or 30 calls, it all amounts to one report.

call 911 when the crime is committed, call 311 to have the property taken care of.
unfortunately for an arrest to take place, the officers need a witness and/or a complainant. Don't live in fear otherwise the district will go straight down the toilet.

jessv's picture

it's really hard to NOT live

it's really hard to NOT live in fear when your neighborhood is terrorized by kids with absentee parents. i don't mean that flippantly at all (though it made sound that way). i've always erred on the side of caution, but i've had kids knock on my door way late at night (11:30 on a school night) while my husband is out, i've been verbally harassed walking into my house. they roam the streets like a pack of wild animals.

they DO have some respect in them for their elders - my husband's a big guy, and he's a teacher - so he has some kind of way with them. but i'm a pretty small girl, and if i'm alone, they scare the piss out of me.

i should clarify, if i ever heard something dangerous, or harmful to a person, i would call the cops no question. i've done it before - with the attempt to stay anonymous, but that didn't work out so wel. i know by NOT reporting it i'm becoming part of the problem, but i do fear for my safety

all that said, i did call 311 and i did submit a report to l+i. one of my neighbors cleaned up the broken glass, so we're back to relative calm over here.