18 Kids and Counting... the Duggar Family. Thoughts?

qbert4578's picture

I've seen the show in the past, but really watched and paid attention to a bunch of shows in the past few days. The one episode that really got to me was the one where they go shopping for new baby stuff. Jim Bob (and I can't believe that's really his name) was really snarky and just SO "ick" with his comments about money and females' shopping behaviors, etc. Ew.

The other show that got to me was the one where they went to San Francisco and he was all preachy again. He just really freaks me out. I just can't even...

Kat's picture

Yeah that whole thing is

Yeah that whole thing is insane. It's a miracle that her uterus doesn't just fall out after all those kids. And the way they run the household is wild. I wonder if they are as happy as they seem. For the kids sakes I hope so. Just very very different.

They do however, have a recipe for a tater tot casserole that my kids love!!!

george's picture

Thoughts? Turn off the

Thoughts? Turn off the faucet already.

lauraska's picture

Okay, some people might

Okay, some people might disagree with me on this, and that's fine, but what the heck is the point (other than religious zealotry...and yes, I stand by the fact that THESE people are zealots) behind having EIGHTEEN CHILDREN?? These people do not have a farm that needs to be tended, do they? People had large families a hundred years ago because a) there wasn't reliable birth control and b) they needed them chillin's to tend the land. But c'mon, now, there's no reason for this. If they didn't have a TV network paying them to tape a reality tv show, they wouldn't be able to afford all those kids, and they'd be a burden on society in one way or another. As it is, the entire family wears thriftstore clothes (NOT that there's anything wrong with that, per se, but it might not be necessary if these folks had stopped at four or five) and from the small bit that I've seen, they are eating on a budget, and it's not an extremely healthy diet (even though a tater tot casserole sounds awesome right about now). These people are encouraging other folks to have tons and tons of kids, and making claims about how perfect their lives are, but not every other family is going to have a reality TV show to pay for all of it. The mother seems like a brainwashed baby machine (really great role model for modern women...yuck) and the daughters barely get any camera time, other than to show them doing chores or cooking. I know that alot of folks who post here came from families of four or more kids, and I'm not criticizing that...because there's a big difference between 6 kids and EIGHTEEN. Okay, I'm done ranting now.

neilpuck's picture

I feel that this kind of

I feel that this kind of thing is environmentally irresponsible. While the world scoffs at China, what they're doing now is what we'll all have to do at some point in the future. There is only so much real estate on this planet. There needs to be a balance of populated areas and non populated areas on which to grow the resources to fulfill the population. At some point, in the not too distant future, the world will not be able to sustain the population. Each generation multiplies the population. I don't have the exact formula, but it's not necessary for this discussion.

Be fruitless and divide.

nhb's picture

I have watched it a couple

I have watched it a couple of times. i agree with laura that many kids? why? and the girls always seem to be hidden out of the way. I struggle with 4 children, 14 more would drive me crazy. I do admire that they live simply, how they don't depend on credit for anything.

george's picture

We will ALL be Duggar's

We will ALL be Duggar's someday...

stilljes's picture

I watched that show for the

I watched that show for the first time this weekend, and they went to the Creation Museum... you know, that museum that features exhibits of dinosaurs hanging out with babies in Eden? Good stuff.

I want to ambush the teenage girls and sneak them copies of Our Bodies, Ourselves.

dan's picture

Firstly, I'm commenting on

Firstly, I'm commenting on the idea of having 18 kids in general - not the TV show or this particular family, because I live in the world without cable.

I'm mixed on it. The theology of the Quiverfull movement is broken, so that's a non-starter for me. However, although I'm not a natalist for a large number of reasons, it does raise the question as to why (non-racial) natalism is seen as so backwards. If they want to have 18 kids, and they're not digging into my pocket to pay for them, I think they not only have every right to do so, but that they should be encouraged to be happy and responsible.

I know there's a ZPG or VHEM environmental argument to be made, but I don't buy it. We're nowhere near hitting the maximum numbers our planet can sustain. The starvation in this world is because of ignorance, war, and greed. Plus, wealth is the world's greatest form of birth control. Want the population boom to end? Then support economic development.

Besides, shouldn't we be terraforming Mars by now? Heck, I haven't even gotten my rocket pack.

th's picture

george wrote:We will ALL be

george wrote:

We will ALL be Duggar's someday...

WOW That picture is FREAKING me out!

Weirder than snuggie wickens.

AM's picture

I come from a family with 10

I come from a family with 10 children. My mom lost 2 babies or there would have been 12 of us. I remember people always commenting that my parents should get a TV, separate rooms, etc. My Dad would get so annoyed. His theory was if he was keeping those 10 kids it was nobody's business how many kids he had. His favorite retort was "since when does a married woman have to explain being pregnant." They even tried to adopt after I was born (I was #10). I kinda feel the same way about the Duggar crew. If they want all those kids and can keep them themselves God bless 'em. Personally though, seeing what teenagers are like, why would you want more? If I had known I might not have even had 4 (though no regrets - I adore my crew). I think 18 is a bit extreme but then again some people would think 10 was extreme also and we had a very nice childhood. There were no thrift shop clothes (who needed them - we had hand me downs!)we ate very well and all went to Catholic school. I wouldn't want that life but to each his own I guess. I still tell my mother she must have been insane to have all those kids only difference is now she agrees with me.

qbert4578's picture

I really just don't like Jim

I really just don't like Jim Bob and the things that come out of his mouth.

FrankLloydRoarke's picture

This pretty much sums it

This pretty much sums it up.

(SFW, but contains medical terminology some might want to be aware of beforehand.)

(Also, not my Flickr page, FYI.)

rtsaidred's picture

Back in the day, it wasn't

Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon for families in the 'hood to have 10,12, or more kids. But in 2009, to have 18 or more kids is just weird. And, they want MORE kids? Where is Frankdatank when we need him? GIVE ME A BREAK!

AM's picture

qbert4578 wrote:I really

qbert4578 wrote:

I really just don't like Jim Bob and the things that come out of his mouth.

Jim Bob gives me the creeps that's for sure.

dan's picture

qbert4578 wrote:I really

qbert4578 wrote:

I really just don't like Jim Bob and the things that come out of his mouth.

Having not seen the show, don't know him.
Is he the father or one of the sons?

dan's picture

rtsaidred wrote:Back in the

rtsaidred wrote:

Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon for families in the 'hood to have 10,12, or more kids.

yeah - and sometimes in tiny two-bedroom houses. I know one family where the parents slept in one room, the girls in the other, and the boys slept in the (unfinished) basement with the furnace.

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But in 2009, to have 18 or more kids is just weird. And, they want MORE kids? Where is Frankdatank when we need him? GIVE ME A BREAK!

But why? Just because it's less common than it used to be, why look down on it?

I can understand the people who feel it's not good practice environmentally, but not saying, "You shouldn't do that because people don't do that."

tudor's picture

dan wrote:rtsaidred

dan wrote:
rtsaidred wrote:

Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon for families in the 'hood to have 10,12, or more kids.

yeah - and sometimes in tiny two-bedroom houses. I know one family where the parents slept in one room, the girls in the other, and the boys slept in the (unfinished) basement with the furnace.

I think there are laws against that many people living in that number of rooms now in a lot of places--not that they get a lot of observance at times.

jbette01's picture

I cant even watch that show,

I cant even watch that show, it makes me bonkers.

There are 40,000 new orphans EVERY DAY around the world. If you want 18 kids, great! ADOPT them or become a foster parent. There are plenty of children that need to be loved.

jmminarik's picture

Kat wrote: They do however,

Kat wrote:

They do however, have a recipe for a tater tot casserole that my kids love!!!

And in the end, isn't that what's really important? Your kids I mean.

rtsaidred's picture

Quote:But in 2009, to have

Quote:

But in 2009, to have 18 or more kids is just weird. And, they want MORE kids? Where is Frankdatank when we need him? GIVE ME A BREAK!

But why? Just because it's less common than it used to be, why look down on it?

I can understand the people who feel it's not good practice environmentally, but not saying, "You shouldn't do that because people don't do that."

I didn't look at it as looking down on it. I just think it's crazy. Is that looking down on it or just having a very different opinion about it? Well, then again, I guess calling it "weird" was not very nice.

dan's picture

jbette01 wrote:There are

jbette01 wrote:

There are 40,000 new orphans EVERY DAY around the world. If you want 18 kids, great! ADOPT them or become a foster parent. There are plenty of children that need to be loved.

To argue the other side...

Is it okay to have one or two kids and not adopt? Because if every family in the USA who birthed two kids adopted one of them instead, it would have a much bigger impact than every family with 18 adopting all 18 of them.

dan's picture

I'll be honest... deep down

I'll be honest...
deep down I think a lot of us condemn simply because it's a choice radically different from what we make. It's a case of "the other" making us feel threatened. So, we find reasons to justify our lack of comfort.

qbert4578's picture

dan wrote:qbert4578 wrote:I

dan wrote:
qbert4578 wrote:

I really just don't like Jim Bob and the things that come out of his mouth.

Having not seen the show, don't know him.
Is he the father or one of the sons?

father

Skymama1's picture

I watch the show for pure

I watch the show for pure entertainment, the creation museum is fabulous!! That is the same museum from Bill Maher's movie. I saw the San Francisco one today - they were walking amongst hippies, as if they were lepers! Jim Bob said ' It is pretty weird to be going to a liberal city.' They can have as many children as they like - I don't see how her body can do it. I subscribe to the ' If it is not hurting someone ( other than her uterus) it doesn't bother me- to each its own.' The one thing that DOES bug me about the show is the fact that the older kids actually raise the younger kids ( via the buddy system) or maybe I am just jealous that they have 9 live-in nannies! Oh - and I love reading which J name they pick each time!

jmminarik's picture

Skymama1 wrote:The one thing

Skymama1 wrote:

The one thing that DOES bug me about the show is the fact that the older kids actually raise the younger kids ( via the buddy system)

That's normal when there's a big age difference between the elder and younger siblings. What disturbs me is the 3rd graders in the world who have to help with their younger siblings because the grandparents are older and unable to do everything, but the family has no choice because the biological parents are incarcerated or just not there. Kids need some time of their own to be kids and non-responsible.

codergrrl's picture

Guess we'll have to wait

Guess we'll have to wait until one of them breaks away, gets an independant thought and writes a book...then maybe we'll know.
I haven't seen the show, but it sound kinda like that Kate and Jon plus 8 show, which I detest.
That women is such a emasculating b-word, I feel so sorry for the hubby who at this point is just stuck, (imagine the child support for 8 kids!)...and I've only seen the show once!

george's picture

You can certainly argue that

You can certainly argue that it's a choice. After all, there's not some "baby czar" making procreation decisions for Mr. and Mrs. Dugger.

At the same time, is there ANY reasonable argument they haven't become a virtual baby factory because of religious beliefs? Please. It's not as if they are doing this to run a farm.

They do it because their religious beliefs mandate it. No "wasted seed" or whatever. That's fine if it works for them but how much of it is REALLY choice? The simple fact is that there's NO choice---none at all---if that's what you truly believe. Their behavior is dictated by their beliefs. Sure, you could say the same about a LOT of people (accurately) but to define these two as truly free in making decisions is wrong. They are following very definite "rules" as they see them.

I don't even mean abortion. In the Dugger's world it would be a sin to not view ALL sex in very basic terms. Sex is cut down to two basic elements: Creating babies or sinful. To me, that's not just NO choice, but completely nutty. Then again, the Duggers would no doubt find nearly all of us---including those who may have 'strayed' in using (gasp) Birth Control---to be absolute heathens headed straight for the Lake of Fire.

Whatever.

Have these people ever masturbated even once?

codergrrl's picture

Being as they aren't blind,

Being as they aren't blind, and don't seem to have hairy hands, my guess would be....of course, they just aren't gonna admit it.

lauraska's picture

I can't speak for everyone,

I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it really has nothing to do with them being "different" than me on a surface-level, but more about a distinct split in beliefs about WHY we have children, in the first place. I do believe that having this many children has a negative impact on the environment. Plus, all their children will ever know is that this is the way their families should be, too. I mean, c'mon, the oldest son is 20 and just got married, kissing the girl for the first time EVER at the altar. I'm sure they were praying she'd get pregnant with their first kid on the wedding night...they were prepared, since they listened to a religious CD about procreation on the way to their hotel after the wedding. My philosophy behind having kids is that you do it to send people out into the world who will give back to it, be independent-minded, and do good things. I consider children to be a gift to society, in a way, while these people just consider them to be their duty. They have no interest in turning kids out into the world who know the realities of life. They only want their children to understand the little world that they've created in their own home, by home schooling all of them and running a church out of their house. These kids aren't going to be productive members of any society other than the little one their parents have created on the side. You can be different to a point, but when you can't coexist in the society at large, there's a problem. I think it's all kind of sad.

dan's picture

george wrote:At the same

george wrote:

At the same time, is there ANY reasonable argument they haven't become a virtual baby factory because of religious beliefs?...They do it because their religious beliefs mandate it....The simple fact is that there's NO choice---none at all---if that's what you truly believe.

In the recent presidential election, did you have a choice or did you have to vote for one candidate because of your beliefs?

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In the Dugger's world...Sex is cut down to two basic elements: Creating babies or sinful. To me, that's not just NO choice, but completely nutty.

I'd say it's a nutty choice.

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Have these people ever masturbated even once?

Dunno. Those kind of channels are another reason I don't have cable. :)