Rendell says "No Casinos, No Tax Cuts"

dan's picture

The governor wants to give

The governor wants to give you a dollar.
Of course, that dollar will cost you at least three dollars.
So, you say "no thanks".

Now the governor is threatening to keep the dollar.
Oooh... scary.

Larry99's picture

excellent!

excellent!

dan's picture

I actually take this as a

I actually take this as a promising sign -
the governor is finally realizing the mere force of his personality might not be enough to force the slot parlors on us.

roma258's picture

Can we take away tax cuts

Can we take away tax cuts from every municipality that doesn't have a casino placed there? Does Lowe Merion have a casino? No, ok then, let's take away their tax cuts.

kdubs215's picture

So we are happy our city is

So we are happy our city is losing money ???? nice

neilpuck's picture

Actually, when you're

Actually, when you're prevented from losing more money, it's considered gaining money.

kdubs215's picture

So out of work carpetners -

So out of work carpetners - plumbers - electricans and labors should be happy also ...... nice

dan's picture

kdubs215 wrote:So we are

kdubs215 wrote:

So we are happy our city is losing money ???? nice

No, we're happy that we won't be losing money -
because a slots parlor will cost the city more than it will make.

dan's picture

kdubs215 wrote:So out of

kdubs215 wrote:

So out of work carpetners - plumbers - electricans and labors should be happy also ...... nice

So, screw the city by making it lose tons of money, ruin people's lives, and lower the quality of life........ nice

Don't forget to poison a few schoolchildren if the funeral director's business gets a bit slow.

neilpuck's picture

Plumbers, Carps and Sparky's

Plumbers, Carps and Sparky's will have an expanded convention center where they can continue to gouge exhibitors with exhorbitant labor costs. The money will be well made up.

Don't forget, all the money that goes into a casino and is returned to the public comes out of the pockets of the people who go in there. Of the few who win, many will lose. it's a redistribution of wealth, but the only person who ends up with more is the owner. Who, I might remind you, lives in a different state and will be taking his profits there, not reinvesting it into our city.

nhb's picture

I agree with NEILPUCK, the

I agree with NEILPUCK, the unions will make up the money. And the owner of Sugar House don't want to live here.

th's picture

nhb wrote:And the owner of

nhb wrote:

And the owner of Sugar House don't want to live here.

I think we should pass laws that require owners of business to live with in 1 mile of their business - we would very quickly solve a lot of problems. Factory owners would be less likely to pollute if their kids were right down the street. Power companies would be quicker to implement clean air controls, etc.

Case in point - no casino owner wants to live in the middle of a bunch of pawn shops and cash for gold places - which will pop up all around the casinos.

kdubs215's picture

I keep on forgetting the

I keep on forgetting the casinos are going to be the downfall of our civilization .. I really hate all these old people coming into our neighborhood bring all the hookers and drugs also

karp's picture

I would like to know the

I would like to know the proposed % difference in the wage-tax with and without a casnio. The governor talks about these reduced taxes like they are the greatest thing in the world but how much are we really talking about here? $40 a year per person? If that?

When it comes to the jobs argument, I would like the see the 1500+ condos proposed along the river built. That is much more work for the construction industry and it doesn't leave one cansio here for us to deal with.

dan's picture

karp wrote:I would like to

karp wrote:

I would like to know the proposed % difference in the wage-tax with and without a casnio.

I forget the exact number, but I'm 98.5% sure it was less than 1/2 of a percent.

Quote:

That is much more work for the construction industry and it doesn't leave one cansio here for us to deal with.

I think you mean casnio. :)

karp's picture

I am spoiled with spellcheck

I am spoiled with spellcheck on almost every other program I use.

jmminarik's picture

karp wrote:The governor

karp wrote:

The governor talks about these reduced taxes like they are the greatest thing in the world but how much are we really talking about here? $40 a year per person? If that?

Unlike your property taxes, the wage tax 'savings' entirely depends on what you earn.

As for condos, they're better than casinos, but not by much.

mandk's picture

It gets even better. Even

It gets even better. Even as Fat Eddie is declaring that we might not get tax relief from gambling proceeds, Councilwoman Sanchez is trying to make a grab for any that do come the way of the citizens of Philadelphia:

http://www.kyw1060.com/pages/3706708.php?

jbette01's picture

kdubs215 wrote:So out of

kdubs215 wrote:

So out of work carpetners - plumbers - electricans and labors should be happy also ...... nice

so the general contractor that has the casino is Keating.

Keating is also doing the convention center expansion, the Mohegan sun casino in wilkes-barre, and the rivers casino in pittsburgh.

according to mcgraw-hill, Keating has 1.8 BILLION DOLLARS worth of construction going on right now.

the big guys arent hurting terribly, its the little guys that are dying and slow. little guys don't land projects like sugarhouse.

dan's picture

karp wrote:I am spoiled with

karp wrote:

I am spoiled with spellcheck on almost every other program I use.

If you use Firefox for a browser, it has spellcheck.
You can get plugins for many other browsers too.

But, don't worry, I feel your pain.

Bill Kearney's picture

Could it be that Rendell’s

Could it be that Rendell’s threats of ‘No casinos, No tax cuts’ is being motivated by his elbow rubbing influential friends and campaign contributors who are now well vested in the two Philly casino projects.

Here’s a list of investors for the SUGARHOUSE and FOXWOODS Casinos.

First we have Daniel J. Keating, who runs the Keating Building Corp. a major investor on the proposed SugarHouse Casino and lead contractor for the Pittsburgh casino. Then we got sports and entertainment conglomerate Ed Snider, along with one of the leading trial attorneys in the United States, Philly’s own Richard Sprague and his daughter Barbara Sprague. We also have a former state Supreme Court Justice William Lamb, auto sales magnate Robert Potamkin, Jerry Johnson, president of eMoney Advisor Inc. There’s also real estate developer Peter DePaul, and the once 76ers President and General Manager Billy King, and let’s not forget the world-renown music impresario Quincy Jones, and former Phillies' centerfielder Garry Maddox. Also, Atlantic City race track owner Robert Levy, Temple Women's Basketball Coach Dawn Staley, local attorney and businessman, Fred Tecee, A.J. Agarwal, a senior managing director of the Blackstone Group, an investment and advisory firm, Sylvia DiBona, wife of the late Independence Blue Cross President and CEO G. Fred DiBona, Jr., and local businessman Alan Steinberg. Did I mention The Rubin Family Charitable Foundation established by real estate developer Ronald Rubin? He’s the CEO of Pennsylvania Real Estate Investment Trust (PREIT) whose real estate holdings include the historic Bellevue along with Cumberland Mall, Cherry Hill Mall, Echelon Mall, Exton Square, Moorestown Mall, Plymouth Meeting Mall and Willow Grove Park; they also own the new location for Foxwoods casino, the Gallery at Market East. There’s also The Silver Family Charitable Foundation established by Melissa Silver, daughter of Lewis Katz, who is a partner of the NBA's New Jersey Nets and a partner in the YankeeNets, the entity that owns the NY Yankee baseball team and the YES cable television network. Now let’s say Trumps wins his lawsuit against the Pa. Gaming Board and he’s back in the game, then Rendell will get a ear full from the ever-energetic, carny barker, Pat Croce and Brian Tierney, the owner of the Philadelphia Enquirer, who along with Croce, and Pet Ciarrocchi owner of Chickie's and Pete's were all in bed with Trump when he was looking to open his ‘FLEECING’ joint in North Philly.

This is quit an array of heavy hitters, all of whom like Gov. Rendell have one other thing in common, which is, none of them or their loved ones have yet to participate in this wonderful entertainment venue known in our state today as GAMING.

Open these links and see why I don’t believe anything The Honorable Gov. Edward Rendell says when it comes to this so-called form of entertainment.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14212064NrPDa82s

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15880323nJEZyXTW

codergrrl's picture

I knew this post would get

I knew this post would get you guys going!

dan's picture

codergrrl wrote:I knew this

codergrrl wrote:

I knew this post would get you guys going!

of course!

its been awhile since we had a good slot barn debate.

Bill Kearney's picture

Back in September of 2003 I

Back in September of 2003 I presented my casino safeguards at the National Coalition against Legalized Gambling conference in Baltimore. I was hoping that the members of the “NCALG” would understand the importance of educating the public on the blind items that our government lets the gaming industry use to seduce their prey. I was also hoping they would have used my safeguards to force casino pimps, guys like Gary Loveman ‘CEO’ of Harrah's Entertainment, casino moguls the likes of Steve Wynn, and Frank Fahrenkopf president of the American Gaming Association to debate me on this issue. Well it’s been over five years since that day I presented my safeguards and the “NCALG” has done little to support my cause and the casino pimps in our state and throughout our country who are now well aware of my safeguards have not come out from underneath their rocks. But I can’t blame them, after all, in a debate on the social and economic ill effects that ‘CASINO GAMBLING’ is going to have on our city, which happens to be the largest city in our country to host casino gambling they are unarmed. And here’s why!

For over twenty years I've been addressing and proving that there are major flaws in gaming laws throughout our country. In other words, there is no safeguards or provisions in place that will protect today's casino gamblers and future casino gamblers from becoming what I once was. Casinos are operating like amusement parks with no safety belts or cages on their ride. There is absolutely no consumer protection.

Now it's true that our Gaming Laws address the compulsive casino gambling problem with things like a 1-800 GAMBLER get help number, and a 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week hotline that provides crisis counseling. There's also a self-exclusion list for those who become addicted to the casino product. That in itself should raise a red flag questioning how safe is this entertainment venue to have such a provision. What other industry or product do you know of that has a Self Exclusion Program? But all of these provisions address the obsessive gambling problem after one becomes a casino gambling junkie. So my question is, why are we waiting for the casualties to come home.

I've been trying my best even before our gaming bill passed in 2004 to sway those Pennsylvania legislators who brought the casino plague upon us along with the members of our newly formed Gaming Control Board to make our billion dollar gaming operators adapt to real safeguards. Things like not letting the casinos cash any checks. (Pa. casinos are allowed to cash personal checks up to $2,500 in a 24-hour period, a check can only be written for up to $499.00 each, but the casino will cash 5 checks at one time. And here's the kicker, the casinos are not cashing these checks themselves; they are using a third party, what is known as a secure check cashing company. These companies guarantee the casino operator the money even if the check goes bad. The secure check company operates with the history and activity of the checking account; they are not allowed to check the balance of the checking account. So let's say a casino patron has a good history and activity but only has a $500.00 balance. Now they are in the casino and they blow their $500.00 balance, but in their mind the slot machine they have been feeding with all its close hits and near misses is ready to blow. So they go back to the cashier in hope to cash another check and they are approved. This goes on until they reach the $2500.00 limit and have cut close to $2000.00 in bad checks. Now I'm not saying the casino patron is not at fault, but what I am saying is, why make it easy for casino patrons to become criminals)And so patrons don't gamble on credit, take away any type of credit card usage on or around the casino floor. (Pa. casinos by law are not aloud to issue any form of credit, yet at the ATM machines on the casino floor a casino patron can get cash advancements from their credit card company. Now if the casino operator is receiving money whether it is from a percentage of every transaction or a rental fee for having the ATM machines, wouldn't that make the casino operator part of that LOAN transaction) And I'm sure there's a few of us who after a few to many have done something stupid, so why are we letting the casino operators medicate those who are already doing something stupid, No free booze. And do we really need these joints open 24/7, have you been in a casino on a week day during those early morning hours, that's when I like to see our casino operators take our government officials on a tour through the casinos so they could witness pathological casino gambling in full bloom. And beings our casino operators are tracking their patrons money and time spent gambling with COMP-CARDS, let's make them send monthly statements. The COMP-CARD is their syringe; it's how they deliver their drug. These cards track every move the patron makes in the casino. This determines whether you're going to get the buffet or the penthouse suite. The comps or so-called freebies make some justify their losses as they become addicted.

Well it's been over four years and today there are seven casinos up and running here in Pa. with not one of these safeguards or provisions in place, once again, no consumer protection.

One of my safeguards has been put forth twice in bills in our House of Representatives by Rep. Clymer and twice in our Senate by Sen. Wonderling. The Bill would make the casino operators who are already tracking their patrons' money and time spent gambling with COMP-CARDS to send monthly statements. This would enable gamblers and their family members to spot a loved one's gambling problem before it gets out of hand. This legislation must come to fruition, because with casinos being glamorized and legalized and opening in all our backyards, many of our Mom-Moms, Pop-Pops, spouses, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, and grandchildren are headed for some serious problems. These Bills will be put forth again this year in Pa.. This safeguard has also been put forth in West Virginia and I'm working with legislators in Illinois, New Jersey, Michigan, and other casino states. I also have legislation that's going to take away the casinos being open 24/7, serving free booze, cashing checks and comping.

What I'm trying to accomplish with legislation like the one making casino operators mail monthly statements which will make casino patrons aware of their money and time spent gambling isn't much deferent then what Ralph Nader did back in the 1960s. It was his work on car safety that led directly to seat belts and shatter-resistant glass being fitted in every American car. Now believe I'm in no way comparing myself to that guy, but I'm sure that I'm getting today as much grief as he did back in the day when he was dealing with those knuckleheads in Detroit and Washington.

On 07/30/08 I testified at the Pennsylvania Gaming Oversight Committees public hearing on House Bill 783. This has been the only legislation drafted since our gaming bill passed in 2004 that addresses the compulsive casino gambling problem before one becomes addicted.

Open these seven links and watch how Pa.State Representatives who brought the casino plague upon us and our clueless Gaming Control Board members feel about preventing our loved ones from becoming casino gambling degenerates.

Part - 1
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15439288g2m632wY
Part - 2
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15473562XbGFwzWE
Part - 3
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15468899weyyxh3Y
Part - 4
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v154194266brME7PX
Part - 5
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15453618PdXydNSq
Part - 6
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v15464477CT6a6SRr
Part - 7
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v154717308JT8m2Jx