Fishtowner Participates in Rally for Israel

biggeo's picture

wow a truly just war

wow a truly just war

Ftown66's picture

I support israel in this

I support israel in this conflict. I feel they are just.

snailgem's picture

nu, avi, lemme tell you, war

nu, avi, lemme tell you, war sux way more than bank of america...

yeah yeah's picture

None of them are justified.

None of them are justified. That whole area is a [Brooke]. If the UN had any balls, I'd say they should take over the holy land and make it neutral.

These folks are fighting over religion. You can't change someone's belief on their god. We should just stay the heck out of the mine field.

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yeah yeah wrote:None of them

yeah yeah wrote:

None of them are justified. That whole area is a [Brooke]. If the UN had any balls, I'd say they should take over the holy land and make it neutral.

These folks are fighting over religion. You can't change someone's belief on their god. We should just stay the heck out of the mine field.

I totally agree. Both sides have been a bit tyrannical. The "settlers" are wrong, and Hamas is wrong.

fishtownfreak's picture

I dont know why the U.S.

I dont know why the U.S. always feel the need to get involved with other countries and their problems. We have enough problems over here in our own country to worry about. Why is it that the U.S. is the one who has to play the big brother role alot of times and get involved. I say let the UN do their part and try to intervene and fix the problem, but like it was already mentioned but wars have been going on for thousands of years due to religion beliefs and I really dont ever see it changing no matter if we get involved or not.

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yeah yeah wrote:None of them

yeah yeah wrote:

None of them are justified. That whole area is a [Brooke]. If the UN had any balls, I'd say they should take over the holy land and make it neutral.

These folks are fighting over religion. You can't change someone's belief on their god. We should just stay the heck out of the mine field.

Out of curiosity, if no wars are justified, how would you suggest the UN take over the Holy Land?

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I support Israel in their

I support Israel in their quest for peace. Any nation when threatened or fired upon has the right to defend their property and people. The capricious litany from the tainted media looking upon Israel as the aggressor fails to mention the constant barrage of mortar fire entering Israel daily prior to this last retaliation into Gaza from Israel. Enough was enough and an aggressor must understand there are consequences for their actions.

This is not a Holy War on the part of Israel as fishtownfreak alluded to. In my humble opinion, true peace will never be possible with Hamas. They have no value placed on life and are true cowards. They do not show their faces while they claim such strength and state they will fight to the death as they disappear when the going gets tough, use children as human shields to cross streets and falsely accuse Israel of attacking Mosques when those very same Mosques are used as staging grounds for their primitive rocket launchers.

A great percentage of the media is either misinformed or tainted showing what they claim to be the atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli military while branding the Hamas as freedom fighters. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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fishtownfreak wrote:I dont

fishtownfreak wrote:

I dont know why the U.S. always feel the need to get involved with other countries and their problems. We have enough problems over here in our own country to worry about. Why is it that the U.S. is the one who has to play the big brother role alot of times and get involved. I say let the UN do their part and try to intervene and fix the problem, but like it was already mentioned but wars have been going on for thousands of years due to religion beliefs and I really dont ever see it changing no matter if we get involved or not.

The U.S. doesn't feel the need to be "involved"...its stricly selfish...Israel represents a place in the Middle East we can use, if need be. We are involved with those who have something to offer, and in Israels case, its military strategically placed in a hotbed area, nothing more, nothing less.
We pump alot of money over there, and they take it...so when we need a favor...
Need I say more?

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Cajunmoon wrote:I support

Cajunmoon wrote:

I support Israel in their quest for peace. Any nation when threatened or fired upon has the right to defend their property and people. The capricious litany from the tainted media looking upon Israel as the aggressor fails to mention the constant barrage of mortar fire entering Israel daily prior to this last retaliation into Gaza from Israel. Enough was enough and an aggressor must understand there are consequences for their actions.

This is not a Holy War on the part of Israel as fishtownfreak alluded to. In my humble opinion, true peace will never be possible with Hamas. They have no value placed on life and are true cowards. They do not show their faces while they claim such strength and state they will fight to the death as they disappear when the going gets tough, use children as human shields to cross streets and falsely accuse Israel of attacking Mosques when those very same Mosques are used as staging grounds for their primitive rocket launchers.

A great percentage of the media is either misinformed or tainted showing what they claim to be the atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli military while branding the Hamas as freedom fighters. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I've always thought that the media is very pro-Israel. Just my own observation as I am not well-informed on this conflict. I do feel sympathy for all of the innocent people on both sides who have to live with this neverending battle.

Jeffro's picture

Was this Israel rally at

Was this Israel rally at Berks & Girard today at 6 AM?

dan's picture

Jeffro wrote:Was this Israel

Jeffro wrote:

Was this Israel rally at Berks & Girard today at 6 AM?

Hey! Whoa!

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from manhattan with love:

from manhattan with love:

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well, yeah, but the guy in

well, yeah, but the guy in my pic wants to kill all juice not only oj, he's juiceocidal...

FreshFish's picture

"All wars are civil wars,

"All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers."
Francois Fenelon

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Cajunmoon wrote: A great

Cajunmoon wrote:

A great percentage of the media is either misinformed or tainted showing what they claim to be the atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli military while branding the Hamas as freedom fighters. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The atrocities reported by aid organizations -- Mercy Corps., Save the Children, etc. -- are not fiction. I don't think the photos are staged.

Gaza was reduced to rubble, burned and maimed children died from lack of medical care, unarmed civilians were gunned down and the region went without electricy, food, and water. Israel's "quest for peace"? Israel was fired on and they had the right to do something but not the right to do ANYTHING in retaliation.

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newcomer wrote: The

newcomer wrote:

The atrocities reported by aid organizations -- Mercy Corps., Save the Children, etc. -- are not fiction. I don't think the photos are staged.

Gaza was reduced to rubble, burned and maimed children died from lack of medical care, unarmed civilians were gunned down and the region went without electricy, food, and water. Israel's "quest for peace"? Israel was fired on and they had the right to do something but not the right to do ANYTHING in retaliation.

Fully agreed.

Certainly, there have been atrocities commited by both sides but the Israeli response borders on the grotesque. I also don't think there's any "anti Israel" bias in the American media. If anything, there's a serious lack of knowledge among the public regarding Israel's repeated failures to live up to their promises---especially in regards to dismantling completely illegal settlements in the West Bank that serve only to exacerbate tensions. The entire world---including the United States---has demanded as much, yet it never happens.

Of course Israel must defend itself but they must also accept that the Palestinians have the same right to self-determination and the opportunity to create a prosperous, stable society. They have given little indication that they view it that way, and have only allowed a theoretical "Palestine" that is a patchwork of disconnected pieces of real estate whose commerce is wholly at the whim and discretion of those making decisions in Tel Aviv.

That is not a level playing field and unacceptable if you believe in fairness and equal opportunity.

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george wrote: . . . Of

george wrote:

. . .
Of course Israel must defend itself but they must also accept that the Palestinians have the same right to self-determination and the opportunity to create a prosperous, stable society.

wasn't there such an opportunity when israel dismantled all the gaza settlements and left gaza?
why instead of seizing this chance for development of a prosperous stable society did the palestinians opt to turn gaza into a military base aimed at going to war with israel?
(i'm not saying that gaza could become switzerland overnight, but wouldn't the human energy and millions they spent on military training and weapons been better spent on food and building materials?)

george wrote:

They have given little indication that they view it that way, and have only allowed a theoretical "Palestine" that is a patchwork of disconnected pieces of real estate whose commerce is wholly at the whim and discretion of those making decisions in Tel Aviv.
. . .

actually the decisions are made in jerusalem.

"we are all god’s children, but have lost contact with the father."

roma258's picture

I've been trying to stay

I've been trying to stay away from this thread, but since the conversation seems to be mostly constructive (rare feat for this topic), I'll give my 2 cents.

Until both sides realize the grievances of the other, peace will be impossible. Israel must realize what a hell it must be for the civilian population of Gaza to be essentially cut off from the outside world, with very little prospect of a good life on the horizon. It's hard to imagine the terror that the Gazans have gone through over the last couple of weeks. Palestinians must realize that electing an organization like Hamas into power, shelling civilian cities with rockets and blowing up innocent kids on school buses will not achieve the goal of their own state.

Is it possible for the two sides to meet halfway? I don't know. I doubt that with Hamas in power we will see any real steps towards peace. Internal politics in that region are maddeningly complex, on both sides. It looks like Likud (hard-right party in Israel) is on the brink of gaining more power in Israel. That is a very bad development, as far as I'm concerned. The timing needs to be perfect for any sort of a deal to be reached. That means Israel, Palestinian territories and US must all have leadership that's ready to make compromises and negotiate in good faith. With Likud and Hamas so prominently in the picture, that is highly unlikely to happen.

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newcomer wrote: The

newcomer wrote:

The atrocities reported by aid organizations -- Mercy Corps., Save the Children, etc. -- are not fiction. I don't think the photos are staged.

Gaza was reduced to rubble, burned and maimed children died from lack of medical care, unarmed civilians were gunned down and the region went without electricy, food, and water. Israel's "quest for peace"? Israel was fired on and they had the right to do something but not the right to do ANYTHING in retaliation.

Nobody is denying that the consequences of war are horrific and at no time did I state or imply anything was fiction.

The most recent movement into Gaza was not random violence; it was the culmination of weeks, months and years of terroristic actions perpetrated upon the Israeli people. Those innocent homes with perhaps innocent people in them were booby trapped with explosives to be detonated upon the entrance of any Israeli troops. The residents themselves not knowing their homes were wired to explode. The Hamas has no value for life even the lives of their own women and children.

Have you had family killed as a result of a suicide bomber? I have, in October of 2003 when a female suicide bomber detonated herself at Maxim’s Restaurant in Haifa, Israel. My uncle, his wife and two young children erased from existence for what?

I have no sympathy for Hamas!

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Cajunmoon wrote: I have no

Cajunmoon wrote:

I have no sympathy for Hamas!

I have family in Ashkelon, so while they have thankfully not been hurt, this conflict hits me very close to home. I just want people to keep in mind that the actions of Hamas, while reprehensible, do not represent the actions of innocent Gazans caught in the crossfire. So while I too have zero sympathy for Hamas, I feel for the innocent Gazan families that died due to Israel's retaliation. These people deserve a decent life, just like everyone else.

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Cajunmoon wrote: ... The

Cajunmoon wrote:

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The Hamas has no value for life even the lives of their own women and children.
...

allow me to disagree with you a little here, cajunmoon.
gaza civilians do have a lot of value for hamas.

the arabs have finally realized that they can't defeat israel in conventional war. so some arab states have come around and have signed peace agreements with israel. others have figured out a different strategy for fighting wars with israel, and this has become the hizbullah doctrine, which hamas has also adopted.
acoording to this doctrine, wars against israel must be fought from the midst of civilian populations. this way the israel army will kill and wound civilians and destroy their homes. the whole world will watch via al jazeera and other media the cruelty of the israelis, as pictures of bloodied children and bereaved parents fill the news. the un will be up in arms and accusations of war crimes will be bandied around.

so yes, hamas does set a lot of value on their women and children: they put them right in the front line of their fight against israel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html?_r=1&ref=world

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Cajunmoon wrote:newcomer

Cajunmoon wrote:
newcomer wrote:

The atrocities reported by aid organizations -- Mercy Corps., Save the Children, etc. -- are not fiction. I don't think the photos are staged.

Gaza was reduced to rubble, burned and maimed children died from lack of medical care, unarmed civilians were gunned down and the region went without electricy, food, and water. Israel's "quest for peace"? Israel was fired on and they had the right to do something but not the right to do ANYTHING in retaliation.

Nobody is denying that the consequences of war are horrific and at no time did I state or imply anything was fiction.

The most recent movement into Gaza was not random violence; it was the culmination of weeks, months and years of terroristic actions perpetrated upon the Israeli people. Those innocent homes with perhaps innocent people in them were booby trapped with explosives to be detonated upon the entrance of any Israeli troops. The residents themselves not knowing their homes were wired to explode. The Hamas has no value for life even the lives of their own women and children.

Have you had family killed as a result of a suicide bomber? I have, in October of 2003 when a female suicide bomber detonated herself at Maxim’s Restaurant in Haifa, Israel. My uncle, his wife and two young children erased from existence for what?

I have no sympathy for Hamas!

Your earlier post implied that the media was woefully misinformed when reporting the atrocities commited by Israel which is not true. Both sides are accused of war crimes. This isn't about "sympathy for Hamas" but for ordinary citizens who've suffered mightily at the hands of Israel.

My cousin was killed by a car bomb in Northern Ireland during the "troubles." She left behind a husband and 3 small boys -- the oldest was 7. I never supported the thug-like response of the IRA though I understood the rage and frustration fueling it.

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newcomer wrote: This isn't

newcomer wrote:

This isn't about "sympathy for Hamas" but for ordinary citizens who've suffered mightily at the hands of Israel.

well, you'll be happy to know that the sufferings have not been for nothing - the gazans have won this war:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD961LGCO0