IceHouse Condos

roma258's picture

Haven't seen much discussion about this project. I don't know much about these, there seems to have been a pretty big zoning fight over them, if I remember correctly. In any case, the project appears to be moving ahead, which is a good sign in this economy. If the website: http://www.theicehousedevelopment.com/index.html is accurate this actually seems like a pretty nice, high quality project. However, upon closer look, one thing really irks me.

The total project is 20 units (13 condos, 7 townhomes), with a 21-space indoor parking garage. So why in the world are there additional parking garages for each of the townhome units facing Thompson st? It really makes no sense. The street-level aesthetics of the townhomes are ruined by big garage door facing the street. The street parking is taken away from the other residents of the area and people who use Hetzel's. And the spots are already there in an indoor private garage that comes with the project. Besides, how many parking spots do you need for a development that is so close to a ton of public transportation options? Maybe it's not a big deal, but it screws up what is otherwise a pretty nice project.

frankdatank's picture

Great website they put

Great website they put together

kdubs215's picture

I can understand people

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

roma258's picture

kdubs215 wrote:I can

kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

This has nothing to do with casinos. And I like this project. It's just that these garage-fronted rowhomes are a pet-peeve of mine. Especially in this case when it's completely unnecessary. Think of how ugly Fishtown would look if every house had a garage fronting the street on its first floor.

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roma258 wrote:kdubs215

roma258 wrote:
kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

This has nothing to do with casinos. And I like this project. It's just that these garage-fronted rowhomes are a pet-peeve of mine. Especially in this case when it's completely unnecessary. Think of how ugly Fishtown would look if every house had a garage fronting the street on its first floor.

KW ------@

Not you Roma ive been hearing people have fought this project from jump street ?
I saw our favorite junkies in and out of those buildings Im glad they are gone

Ftown66's picture

roma258 wrote:kdubs215

roma258 wrote:
kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

This has nothing to do with casinos. And I like this project. It's just that these garage-fronted rowhomes are a pet-peeve of mine. Especially in this case when it's completely unnecessary. Think of how ugly Fishtown would look if every house had a garage fronting the street on its first floor.

I agree! The first floor garage is such an ugly look. We have one new house up the street from me. It's the ugliest house on the block. It has no personality.

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kdubs215 wrote:roma258

kdubs215 wrote:
roma258 wrote:
kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

This has nothing to do with casinos. And I like this project. It's just that these garage-fronted rowhomes are a pet-peeve of mine. Especially in this case when it's completely unnecessary. Think of how ugly Fishtown would look if every house had a garage fronting the street on its first floor.

KW ------@

Not you Roma ive been hearing people have fought this project from jump street ?
I saw our favorite junkies in and out of those buildings Im glad they are gone

Haha, than excuse the defensive posture. Yeah, I don't get alot of the opposition either. Ofcourse there are some projects that are clearly a bad fit, but for the most part I'm generally in favor of new development. It's certainly better than the alternative.

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I agree with the comments

I agree with the comments against the garages. people moved to this nieghborhood because of its style, which is old rowhomes without garages. so its pretty self centered to move here and then demand a garage for yourself.

Also have fun in the summer with that open water element. if they don't cycle the water in there the mosquitos will be very bad in that area.

lauraska's picture

I'm all for being

I'm all for being anti-garage because it's ugly but I also hear alot of people say that garages prevent "eyes on the street" and they disconnect the resident of the house from the rest of the community. I think those reasons are kind of presumptuous, but I understand, and agree with, the arguments about aesthetics.

stein's picture

Quote:Also have fun in the

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Also have fun in the summer with that open water element. if they don't cycle the water in there the mosquitos will be very bad in that area.

is it possible for the mosquito problem to get worse anywhere in fishtown?

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For some reason I thought

For some reason I thought that all brand new construction are suppose to be built to have off street parking whether it was a spot behind the house like the ones on York St between Gaul and Memphis,Memphis Flats,ect or you had to have a garage like the ones I do see in the neighborhood or even a parking pad in front of the house

Pure_Fishtown's picture

This developer did get the

This developer did get the okay for "ice house" from the community. He did not get the okay for the one on Moyer Street (I don't know the final outcome of that one).

Ice house -- was approved by the community relunctantly but was turned down by zoning. He had units in the basement which are a no no. His first rendering was awful; the buildings were mostly steel (not just the capping but a lot of it). When he went to zoning, they asked him why he was using steel; he told them that was what most the homes in the area used. Zoning said they didn't know what neighborhood he was referring to because it sure wasn't Fishtown.

When he finally gained approval, he bought a couple of houses on Columbia Avenue and started tearing them down. Ooops, not approved. If you take a look, you can see that what he had demolished is being restored.

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lauraska wrote:I'm all for

lauraska wrote:

I'm all for being anti-garage because it's ugly but I also hear alot of people say that garages prevent "eyes on the street" and they disconnect the resident of the house from the rest of the community. I think those reasons are kind of presumptuous, but I understand, and agree with, the arguments about aesthetics.

I dont think its presumptuous garage fronts kill a street... especially in urban neighborhoods where so much happens on the street. With a rowhouse The house becomes totally disconneted from the street all you have is a garage door and an entry door. If you were walking down a street and all you saw were garage doors it would feel very different than a neighborhood where the houses and or gardens face the street where people sit on porches or stoops. Where they can see from their living rooms what is happeing outside thier house. Attached garages allow one to come and go from therr house without any interaction with the surrouding neighbohood. You have to stick your head out the window to see what is happeining on the sidewalk in front or your house If I had a garage instead of a small front yard I would probably not know my neighbors of be arware of the various charachters who regularly pass by my house. They also dont help allieveiate parking problems just secure a space for the resident of that house and deny that space to everybody else just like sticking cones in front of your house. Garage front townhomes are a blight. And yes they are really ugly too.

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fishtownfreak wrote:For some

fishtownfreak wrote:

For some reason I thought that all brand new construction are suppose to be built to have off street parking whether it was a spot behind the house like the ones on York St between Gaul and Memphis,Memphis Flats,ect or you had to have a garage like the ones I do see in the neighborhood or even a parking pad in front of the house

someone on this site in a previous post said that they changed that law

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kdubs215 wrote:I can

kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

i'm just upset that that building was the source of some of the cheapest six packs around and they were open on sunday it was the only bar i knew that when open never had anyone sitting at the bar the man just sold sixpacks

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biggeo wrote:kdubs215

biggeo wrote:
kdubs215 wrote:

I can understand people having a problem with the casino's but why do people get up in arms with residential construction ? I think its idiotic to fight something that only betters the neighborhood . The properties they knocked down were an eye sore for years .

i'm just upset that that building was the source of some of the cheapest six packs around and they were open on sunday it was the only bar i knew that when open never had anyone sitting at the bar the man just sold sixpacks

Biggeo as a kid I remember going to the side door and getting foutain soda's and probably my first pizza pretzel while watching a sporting event........back then I think it was probably t-ball.

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biggeo wrote: i'm just upset

biggeo wrote:

i'm just upset that that building was the source of some of the cheapest six packs around and they were open on sunday it was the only bar i knew that when open never had anyone sitting at the bar the man just sold sixpacks

we used to drive down from port richmond to get sixpacks here. ...what was it?like $3.25 for domestics, $4.00 imports? crazy cheap

MR. T's picture

I has garage front. sorry

I has garage front. sorry you all feel that way :( but i love my garage and im social with a bunch of my neighbors so :-p I'm doing my best to give the front of my house some character and i do have a little garden in front of my house.

Im also in favor of the ice house. i live in that area and those buildings were a huge eye sore. I like that they have thier own parking and they are also donating $500 per condo to fix up hetzels park

can someone tell me why the moyer st project was killed?

kdubs215's picture

Jim Dooley was the best .

Jim Dooley was the best . AFter soccer practice we all would go over and get the largest fountian soda's on the planet . I miss seeing jim practicing his short stroke in hetzles....... I have a pic of the building ill try to scan it ... we are all lining up for shots on net and in the back ground in dooleys when it was nice ......

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kdubs215 wrote:Jim Dooley

kdubs215 wrote:

Jim Dooley was the best . AFter soccer practice we all would go over and get the largest fountian soda's on the planet . I miss seeing jim practicing his short stroke in hetzles....... I have a pic of the building ill try to scan it ... we are all lining up for shots on net and in the back ground in dooleys when it was nice ......

Jim Dooley was the inventor of the world famous Pizza pretzel for those who don't know. For years the only green spot on hetzels field was that corner because he ran a hose and sprinkler from the bar to keep it watered all summer. He also trimmed the grass.

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Ftown66 wrote:Jim Dooley was

Ftown66 wrote:

Jim Dooley was the inventor of the world famous Pizza pretzel for those who don't know. For years the only green spot on hetzels field was that corner because he ran a hose and sprinkler from the bar to keep it watered all summer. He also trimmed the grass.

LMAO, where were you looking, the hose was running from the fireplug.

Ftown66's picture

bar! fireplug! [witless] it

bar! fireplug! Shit it doesn't matter. It was the greenest spot in fishtown.

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Ftown66 wrote:kdubs215

Ftown66 wrote:
kdubs215 wrote:

Jim Dooley was the best . AFter soccer practice we all would go over and get the largest fountian soda's on the planet . I miss seeing jim practicing his short stroke in hetzles....... I have a pic of the building ill try to scan it ... we are all lining up for shots on net and in the back ground in dooleys when it was nice ......

Jim Dooley was the inventor of the world famous Pizza pretzel for those who don't know. For years the only green spot on hetzels field was that corner because he ran a hose and sprinkler from the bar to keep it watered all summer. He also trimmed the grass.

KW ------@

I have to argue with the pizza pretzel though . My aunt doris ( thompson st ) had the pizza pretzel just as long as jim . That corner looked like a lawn in west chester while the rest of the field was dead grass ...

2014 susquehanna's picture

Am I the only one who

Am I the only one who thought the old Ice House was a nice building? It needed major renovations but it wasn't an ugly structure.

Ftown66's picture

It could have been a nice

It could have been a nice building if they would have done some work on it. I also love how they come up with cheesey names for these developments. It was never know as the Ice House or even Jim dooleys Ice house. Where did they come up with this crap? It doesn't have a history of being a ice house. Its not like the made ice there. The ice was delivered to them just like their beer was as is other bars.

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Ftown66 wrote:It could have

Ftown66 wrote:

It could have been a nice building if they would have done some work on it. I also love how they come up with cheesey names for these developments. It was never know as the Ice House or even Jim dooleys Ice house. Where did they come up with this crap? It doesn't have a history of being a ice house. Its not like the made ice there. The ice was delivered to them just like their beer was as is other bars.

Not that I'm from that part of the neighborhood, but I thought the same thing. In fact, when I saw the title of the post, I thought it was about the ice house at Sepviva and Huntingdon, which is in my old stomping grounds. I just realized though, that Jacquin's knocked that down a few years ago to build a new warehouse, where they keep a supply of flask-sized bottles of Blackberry Brandy that we can smuggle into the North-Frankford game.

teener's picture

I could not have said this

I could not have said this better! oh and I miss playing on here during the day and it takes me forever to catch up now!

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Ftown66 wrote:I also love

Ftown66 wrote:

I also love how they come up with cheesey names for these developments. It was never know as the Ice House or even Jim dooleys Ice house. Where did they come up with this crap? It doesn't have a history of being a ice house. Its not like the made ice there. The ice was delivered to them just like their beer was as is other bars.

iits because the previously existing building had a sign that said "ICE" on it so there you go... contextual! the name irks me too because it implies a converted building with said purpose. Instead you have site leveling new development with an nonsenisical historical reference.

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2014 susquehanna wrote:Am I

2014 susquehanna wrote:

Am I the only one who thought the old Ice House was a nice building? It needed major renovations but it wasn't an ugly structure.

I loved that building!

Ftown66's picture

It was a nice building when

It was a nice building when i was a kid long before jim coated the whole thing in tar, tar paper and white paint

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Nunzio wrote:Not that I'm

Nunzio wrote:

Not that I'm from that part of the neighborhood, but I thought the same thing. In fact, when I saw the title of the post, I thought it was about the ice house at Sepviva and Huntingdon, which is in my old stomping grounds.

This is how I remember it too, Nunzio.