Junkies are starting already

kdubs215's picture

A friend of mines house was robbed today @ Crease and Wildey . Her sons laptop was taken . These scumbags know people have started shopping for xmas so everyone be careful .

Ftown66's picture

Crease street is so ghetto.

Crease street is so ghetto. I always see the dirts hanging out at crease and girard. Don't forget there is the junkie halfway house right there across the street next to the old clauses bakery. Some of the neighborhoods biggest well known thieves are curently staying there.

kdubs215's picture

Her block is kinda nice alot

Her block is kinda nice alot of families . Its a shame She prolly knows the scumbagg ... One of the neighbors thinks they saw one of our young and finest junkies walking around earlier in the day so atleast they have a lead ?

biggeo's picture

thanks for the heads up and

thanks for the heads up and thanks for the warning about thieves

fishtownfreak's picture

Thats a shame Kdub. With

Thats a shame Kdub. With the halfway house on Girard and the brotherhood mission closeby as well......I would think that it could be someone from one of those places since the person whos house was broken into actually lives on a nice block of Crease St. Like BigGeo stated now is a time to be extra careful with locking all of your doors and windows, plus to keep a lookout for fellow neighbors if you hear something or if a shady person or crowd is just lurking around.

netable's picture

Sometimes' We tend to blame

Sometimes' We tend to blame it on the "Common" like the Brotherhood Mission or the Halfway house' (not that I think either one of them should be there' can't stand either Organization - drain on our Society), but there are a Few Families who live on the 1100 blk of Crease that have Kids that are Junkies' before I blame it on the obvious' I would definitely suspect the neighbors' because they are the ones who know your "home" habits.

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netable wrote:Sometimes' We

netable wrote:

Sometimes' We tend to blame it on the "Common" like the Brotherhood Mission or the Halfway house' (not that I think either one of them should be there' can't stand either Organization - drain on our Society),

netable, why are these places a drain on society? someone must offer these services and they must be put somewhere. Quite frankly, the Brotherhood mission provides services that the state does insufficiently and badly. Is is that you don't think these orgs should exist at all or NIMBY?

dan's picture

A drain on society is when a

A drain on society is when a community produces addicts, but doesn't want to treat them.

kdubs215's picture

I dream of the days where

I dream of the days where kids smoked a joint and maybe did a few lines ?? Kids today jump in the deep end of the pool and sniff , smoke or shoot H . Its incredible the amount of teenage full blown junkies in Fishtown .

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dan wrote:A drain on society

dan wrote:

A drain on society is when a community produces addicts, but doesn't want to treat them.

AMEN!

AM's picture

dan wrote:A drain on society

dan wrote:

A drain on society is when a community produces addicts, but doesn't want to treat them.

IMHO a drain on society is when a community treats addicts and they go right back to their same old behaviors again and again and again.

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jbette01 wrote:netable

jbette01 wrote:
netable wrote:

Sometimes' We tend to blame it on the "Common" like the Brotherhood Mission or the Halfway house' (not that I think either one of them should be there' can't stand either Organization - drain on our Society),

netable, why are these places a drain on society? someone must offer these services and they must be put somewhere. Quite frankly, the Brotherhood mission provides services that the state does insufficiently and badly. Is is that you don't think these orgs should exist at all or NIMBY?

What services does the brotherhood actually provide? All i see when i go by there is men hanging on the corner smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee just waiting for their sentences to be up. Are they being taught a job trade? No their not! Are they being giving a education? No there not! They are there because they have no room in prison for them. And thats the only reason. The brotherhood mission used to be a place that helped the poor and needy but it turned into a for profit orginazation that benefits from crime.

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Ftown66 wrote:The

Ftown66 wrote:

The brotherhood mission used to be a place that helped the poor and needy but it turned into a for profit orginazation that benefits from crime.

Where did you get that 'information' from?

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dan wrote:Ftown66 wrote:The

dan wrote:
Ftown66 wrote:

The brotherhood mission used to be a place that helped the poor and needy but it turned into a for profit orginazation that benefits from crime.

Where did you get that 'information' from?

What information are you talking about. The guys standing on the corner all day or the used to be a place that helped the poor or needy or maybe them profiting from crime?

dan's picture

I mean the 'information'

I mean the 'information' that it's a for-profit facility.
And what do you mean by 'profiting from crime'?

Ftown66's picture

They are paid by the city to

They are paid by the city to house convicts the city deems not necessarily dangerous because of prison over crowding. They are sent there by the courts. So if the courts send them there who is picking up the bill? The city thats who. And for profiting from crime i mean that the brotherhood mission realized that there was more money to be made as a halfway house then the true mission it used to be. Halfway houses do profit from what they do. I know someone who runs 2 in arizona and have a good friend who runs one in Boca Raton, FL. Both are funded by the cities and they both profit very well. In the old days the misson it was more like a thrift shop soup kitchen which sold items at a discount then provide some free service to the needy and some spiritual enlightment if wanted. Not anymore.

dan's picture

What is the source of the

What is the source of the information that they are paid by the city to house convicts?
I'm not saying they aren't. I know they serve as "transitional" housing and that can have a broad spectrum of meaning. I'm just saying I don't have any verifiable source of information, so I'm not accepting it as truth.

If they are being paid in some manner for housing people who are transitioning out of prison, that doesn't make them for-profit. The Thriftway makes money selling popcorn. The Cub Scouts sell popcorn too. That doesn't make the Cub Scouts for profit.

I do know that I have referred people there who were homeless or who needed a place to stay until space opened up in a long-term recovery program, and they were taken in without regard to ability to pay.

Ftown66's picture

Do i have source? No! but

Do i have source? No! but common sense would tell you if the city is sending people there they must be paying for it. I doubt the mission would except all these people without a way to pay for it. How else could the mission afford to do it. Donations? I just doubt that.

kdubs215's picture

We shouldnt spend a dime on

We shouldnt spend a dime on treating these weak people . It's thier own fault for being junkies . I have a few cousins who are junkies and i would dump water on them if they were on fire . My uncle is still working because he has "helped" his son so many times and he lost his two other sons from enabling him . Once the person gets past a certain age they are a lost cause . I would love to see numbers on junkies who stay clean and what age it happens ? Its a harsh outlook but i think ONCE is enough to help or brother , sister or child

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Ftown66 wrote:Do i have

Ftown66 wrote:

Do i have source? No! but common sense would tell you if the city is sending people there they must be paying for it. I doubt the mission would except all these people without a way to pay for it. How else could the mission afford to do it. Donations? I just doubt that.

Whether you believe it or not, Brotherhood mission functions on donations. Some major charitable foundations, such as Cerco and Denenburg, have funded and continue to fund Brotherhood. I happen to know a thing or two about these things, I am on the executive board for a local nonprofit.

Also, Brotherhood does provide educational, vocation and job skills to its inhabitants through the Greater Philadelphia Urban Affairs coalition. The mission uses a three part recovery system in which addicts are to focus on getting clean for the first 2 parts. Only then does the mission connect them with vocational training.

As usual Ftown, you jump to conclusions before actually looking into something.

simmer's picture

This may not apply to the

This may not apply to the place on Girard, Im not that informed about it but let me tell you a little story. I had a cousin who was much older than me. He was in Vietnam and came back with a whole host of problems. One of them was alcoholism. He battled for years and years. The sad thing about it was the man was a genius. But with most geniuses, there is a fine line between being brilliant and having mental health problems. He straddled that line for years. When he would kick the alcohol he would find another addiction. Once, it was tattoos. He showed up at a family reunion covered in tattoos. Of course I was 10 at the time and thought it was the coolest thing I had ever seen. About 10 years ago he moved to Nebraska. He said he loved the country and just disappearing into the wilderness. As time passed, he turned to the bottle again and found the internet. The two didnt mix very well. The internet became another addiction to him and he was up to some seedy things on it. The family lost complete touch with him up until about a year ago. That was when my uncle got a call from a mission in Nebraska informing us that he had died. The years of abuse had finally caught up to him. The mission had him creamated at his request but the mission sent us all a letter stating how my cousin had found God and was helping others do that as well. He became a stellar member of the mission and helped both those who were there and those in the community. I really dont have to say how glad our family was that he finally found peace. And I believe that mission was the broker of that peace. Now, I dont know about the one of Girard but to lump everyone there as a criminal or anything else would be irresponsible. Maybe some people near my cousins mission thought the same about him. That saddens me. There may be a lot of work that needs to be done there at the Mission on Girard but lets help those in need. Especially this time of year and in this economy.

Ftown66's picture

So your saying for a fact

So your saying for a fact that the city or state does not fund this halfway house in any way? Unless you sit on the brotherhood board you being a member of some other non profit doesn't mean anything when it comes to how the mission operates. And i understand what Non-profit means. A non profit can actually earn a profit or a surplus as its called which can be used by a company to expand its business. Car share is a perfect example of such a non-profit. It is not an charatible non-profit. Not one cent of its profits benfit the public in anyway. They benefit the company and its operators only.

codergrrl's picture

There but by the grace of

There but by the grace of God go I.

p.s.
Remember, junkies aren't starting early, they've never stopped.

netable's picture

jbette01 wrote:netable

jbette01 wrote:
netable wrote:

Sometimes' We tend to blame it on the "Common" like the Brotherhood Mission or the Halfway house' (not that I think either one of them should be there' can't stand either Organization - drain on our Society),

netable, why are these places a drain on society? someone must offer these services and they must be put somewhere. Quite frankly, the Brotherhood mission provides services that the state does insufficiently and badly. Is is that you don't think these orgs should exist at all or NIMBY?

I am a Taxpayer and I pay lots' and they are a Drain on Society to ME. In fact when I see 10 grown Men standing on the Corner at Girard Ave, who are capable able bodied MEN, eating their chips and artic splashes that they are getting with Food Stamps, that a Senior Citizen isn't eleible for because their SS check is $750, and they watch the old lady that sits on the milk crate sweep Girard Ave ~~ Yes in my Opinion they are a Drain, have some people actually got help from the Brother hood and became successful productive beings' Im sure there have been some, but the majority of them are Drains on our Society,

netable's picture

dan wrote:What is the source

dan wrote:

What is the source of the information that they are paid by the city to house convicts?
I'm not saying they aren't. I know they serve as "transitional" housing and that can have a broad spectrum of meaning. I'm just saying I don't have any verifiable source of information, so I'm not accepting it as truth.

If they are being paid in some manner for housing people who are transitioning out of prison, that doesn't make them for-profit. The Thriftway makes money selling popcorn. The Cub Scouts sell popcorn too. That doesn't make the Cub Scouts for profit.

I do know that I have referred people there who were homeless or who needed a place to stay until space opened up in a long-term recovery program, and they were taken in without regard to ability to pay.

So the Brotherhood didnt have a Staff member who set them right up with Welfare or SSI, and then charged them rent?

In the 90's the best Entrepren thingy was to open a halfway house, and ya they took anyone off the streets because they were able to apply for an Emergency wlfare check and had to pay rent, I know some people who made alot of Money on Halfway Houses' They have big single homes and Brand New luxury vehicles'

Im all for someone making a mistake and being able to obtain help - we all make mistakes' But I also know when people are just crumb bums and drain the system

dan's picture

netable wrote: So the

netable wrote:

So the Brotherhood didnt have a Staff member who set them right up with Welfare or SSI, and then charged them rent?

Not the people I referred.
I don't know the general policy, but that doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to do.

Even IF Brotherhood Mission is (and, as I said, I don't know their practice) is getting an unemployment or SSI check for rent, that is TENS OF THOUSANDS per year less than what leaving that person on the street costs.

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In the 90's the best Entrepren thingy was to open a halfway house, and ya they took anyone off the streets because they were able to apply for an Emergency wlfare check and had to pay rent, I know some people who made alot of Money on Halfway Houses' They have big single homes and Brand New luxury vehicles'

Apples and oranges. There are people who made hundreds of thousands of dollars because they embezzled money from children's sports leagues. Should we shut down the Fishtown Athletic Club because of that?

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dan wrote:netable wrote: So

dan wrote:
netable wrote:

So the Brotherhood didnt have a Staff member who set them right up with Welfare or SSI, and then charged them rent?

Not the people I referred.
I don't know the general policy, but that doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to do.

Even IF Brotherhood Mission is (and, as I said, I don't know their practice) is getting an unemployment or SSI check for rent, that is TENS OF THOUSANDS per year less than what leaving that person on the street costs.

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In the 90's the best Entrepren thingy was to open a halfway house, and ya they took anyone off the streets because they were able to apply for an Emergency wlfare check and had to pay rent, I know some people who made alot of Money on Halfway Houses' They have big single homes and Brand New luxury vehicles'

Apples and oranges. There are people who made hundreds of thousands of dollars because they embezzled money from children's sports leagues. Should we shut down the Fishtown Athletic Club because of that?

My Comment was about how the Brotherhood and the Halfway houses' are these Great "non Profit's' and that the only people who benefit are the poor souls who go there for "help" to become a decent member of Society??? ...... Bull' I'm sure that the people who run them are in it for the Easy money that is handed to them by the State and the Feds. Unfortunately I don't know any halfway houses in the Fishtown, or Kensington area that has been started with all intentions on helping addicts See the Light' those people are in it for the Gain of living a luxury lifestyle' off of someone else's pain and sufferring,

Now' I'm not saying that there are not organizations that truly do things to help people, there are' I know that and I appreciate that.

And I would never feel that Fishtown AC should be shut down because some creep stole donations' and lives a luxury life because I don't feel threatened by Kids playing sports, the worst thing that could happen is a flyball breaking my Car window as I drive by.

I don't have to worry about an AC league stuffing a house with convicts and junkies who will shoot a bag of dope and break my car window to steal my radio for more dope or knock my elder neighbor down stealing her purse.

It's not apple and oranges. Our Kids playing sports and Convicts that shoot heroin living in Facilities in our neighborhood are Definitely not the same thing.......

Some creep starting an Athletic League just so he can steal money is horrible' I agree, shame on him. But I don't feel threatened by Soccer teams, Baseball Teams,. I'm not worried about those kids robbing, hurting, or raping us.

I understand the way you feel Dan' your a Pastor, you live a life of helping people all people and thats Wonderful, our World needs more Dan's......You help all people, Good and Bad and you Pray that the Bad ones will eventually be Good.

Unfortunately, I don't have compassion for people who leave their children' who steal from others' and who just drains our Society. I skeev them, I don't think that a chronic offender deserves multiple chances in Life'. If someone wants to really change and be a Better Person' then they will Do it' they will not stand on the corner and wait for a check that other people break their backs all day to pay for.

Are there Good people who have made some bad choices' absolutely...... and do they deserve to have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th chance yuppers'
But to be a Grown Able Bodied Man, and just collect an SSI check and stand on the Corner and Chit Chat and Cat call the woman walking from the EL from work and do nothing but be a DRAIN, because they aren't doing anything to be a Productive Person and the People who run the organization to allow this to go on, because they are making a Profit', ewwwwww ewww ewww

Look I know plenty of Drug addicts that are Good people' they work to get high' they support their families' they don't hurt no one but themselves', and if All those kinds of Drug addicts were at the Halfway House or the Brotherhood Mission getting help, I would probably Volunteer my Time and Support their efforts into becoming "drug Free", because I don't think they are a Drain.

But the way that these places are, and who they take in....

I just wonder how many People would actually support the "Keeping the Brotherhood Mission and Halfway Houses in our neighborhood Open"

How many Fishtowners' would actually like it if the Brotherhood Mission and Halfway Houses were not Here.

Im betting most residents' wanting them gone,

dan's picture

netable wrote:My Comment was

netable wrote:

My Comment was about how the Brotherhood and the Halfway houses' are these Great "non Profit's' and that the only people who benefit are the poor souls who go there for "help" to become a decent member of Society??? ...... Bull' I'm sure that the people who run them are in it for the Easy money that is handed to them by the State and the Feds.

The phrase "Apples and Oranges" is a shortened version of the phrase "Comparing apples and oranges", which means you are treating two things that are different from each other as if they are the same. You are making an inaccurate comparison.

Yes, there are many "halfway houses" which are little more than some person renting out rooms to addicts for the government money they get. The Brotherhood Mission is not one of those places.

Apples and oranges.

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dan wrote:netable wrote:My

dan wrote:
netable wrote:

My Comment was about how the Brotherhood and the Halfway houses' are these Great "non Profit's' and that the only people who benefit are the poor souls who go there for "help" to become a decent member of Society??? ...... Bull' I'm sure that the people who run them are in it for the Easy money that is handed to them by the State and the Feds.

The phrase "Apples and Oranges" is a shortened version of the phrase "Comparing apples and oranges", which means you are treating two things that are different from each other as if they are the same. You are making an inaccurate comparison.

Yes, there are many "halfway houses" which are little more than some person renting out rooms to addicts for the government money they get. The Brotherhood Mission is not one of those places.

Apples and oranges.

Thought you were saying that a man profiting from an Athlectic Club and a man profiting from a Halfway House were the same??

So no one makes a living or a Profit at the Brotherhood Mission? And thats besides the point of what I was saying anyhow I said the residents at the Brotherhood mission are a drain, thats what I said' I dont care about who profits from what, I care about how an individual can get welfare and SSI and just be a drain.

When i mentioned about owners of a halfway house making lots of money' that was just a comment' about the Guys I knew and why the opened up halfway houses'

Why is there 10-20 Guys standing on Girard Ave outside the Mission' couldnt they be looking for a job?

dan's picture

netable wrote:So no one

netable wrote:

So no one makes a living or a Profit at the Brotherhood Mission?

I'm not saying they have no paid employees.
I am saying the paid employees aren't getting rich working there.

netable's picture

Im not talking about the

Im not talking about the Employees' Im talking about the OWNERS