Ray Lederer

Matt Brannon's picture

I'm not sure if it has already been brought up, but Ray Lederer passed away on Sunday night.

For those who don't know, Ray was a former State Rep. and lifelong Fishtowner.

netable's picture

Wow, I saw Marie last night

Wow, I saw Marie last night and she didn't even mention it. I feel like a crumb bum for not asking how he was, =(

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Thanks, Matt, for posting

Thanks, Matt, for posting this. The Inquirer had a nice article on him this morning.

I've know Ray and his family for a long time, he was a good guy; he will be missed.

dan's picture

Here's some obits: Inky:

PattiMey's picture

Ray will be missed. I also

Ray will be missed. I also knew Ray and his family for many years. They will always be known for all the good they did in the neighborhood and for St Michael's and Roman just to name a few.
R. I. P. Ray . Fishtown lost a good man.

netable's picture

I read the links that Dan

I read the links that Dan provided and then came upon this link and I feel bad' and kinda confused' I wish I would not have read Dan's links' ya know Out of Sight Out of Mind, What do I do now....... Kinda is bugging me now It's really sad how people make choices in life and it follows you around even when your gone. I know' first handed' I have made a stupid selfish choices' once upon a time

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Abscam_bribery_scandal

netable's picture

What I meant' was People

What I meant' was People make mistakes' and Sometime's we pay for our mistakes forever and ever'

And sometime's I am on the fence' Like I am one to say It is either Right or Wrong, Good or Bad, White or Black, no Gray line's

But then I question myself, and try to find a way to make it Ok, that its just not Black or White, there is some Gray, and then I feel all bummed out, because I am just making it "Gray" to justify this particular feeling that I am having and it makes me feel like I'm lying to myself that I am not being true

Ya I know, Im a prime candidate to have a mental Evaluation.

I just wish I would have not read it........... Im not a good compromiser' and I go to battle with myself to compromise my beliefs'

Is there a good Doctor in the House?

I must be insane to even write this on here =)

I'm just a glutton for punishment.........

Pure_Fishtown's picture

Netable, yeah, we've seen

Netable, yeah, we've seen the good, the bad and the ugly; but, Ray was the good. He screwed up and learned a hard lesson; but that just made Ray a better neighbor, father, husband and friend. He could have moved away and hid but he didn't; he learned that the people around him and the community didn't give up on him and he never gave up on us.

Whenever you saw Ray, he had a kind word; if you were having a problem, he try to help you solve it. That was Ray.

netable's picture

Pure_Fishtown wrote:Netable,

Pure_Fishtown wrote:

Netable, yeah, we've seen the good, the bad and the ugly; but, Ray was the good. He screwed up and learned a hard lesson; but that just made Ray a better neighbor, father, husband and friend. He could have moved away and hid but he didn't; he learned that the people around him and the community didn't give up on him and he never gave up on us.

Whenever you saw Ray, he had a kind word; if you were having a problem, he try to help you solve it. That was Ray.

It just sucks that everyone may make a terrible mistake and after all the genuine "Good" they do, and pay their debt above and beyond', after all that, Your still the person that made that "terrible mistake"

It's a shame' Someone passed away, and was a Person that did alot for his Community, and after 30 years the mistake he made is resurfaced.

People that did not know about the Abscam may now question their feelings'

In no way am I trashing the Guy' and if I came off that way, I just want to say that isn't what I meant at all.

I personally just have a hard time seeing things in a "Gray" area, and I was venting thats all.

I was actually hoping that someone from this wonderful forum may be able to offer me some advice on my issues' so I don't feel so conflicted over my personal "Right or Wrong" issues, and maybe after hearing how someone else excepts things and deals with it' I can learn from them and not be so conflicted on a personal level........ Hope this makes sense -

Absolutely, was I not trying to provoke anyone into having to Defend him, nor was I being disrespectful to his memory'

Lisa33's picture

I didn't know him, but my

I didn't know him, but my husband used to live a couple of doors down from the Lederers, and he said Mr. Lederer was a really nice guy - welcomed him to the neighborhood when he moved there, always had a hello. I'm sorry to hear of his passing.

george's picture

I met Ray a few times and

I met Ray a few times and always found him to be a gentleman.

As for the "mixed-bag" of his life, it is what it is. His actions as a Congressman were shameful and embarrassing...I see no reason to say otherwise.

At the same time, he clearly spent MOST of his life engaged in good deeds and being a good neighbor.

People are complex animals. Hopefully the good outweighs the bad when our own numbers are up.

PattiMey's picture

I respected Ray for the man

I respected Ray for the man that he was. The family he raised and the good that he did for everyone who knocked on his door and asked for help and for those who didn't ask. As for his politics he made a bad choice. He owned his mistakes and he did his time. I may not have always agreed with him and I had many of debates with him but he will always be remembered by me as one Hell of a guy and a GREAT family man. R I P Ray. Fishtown is going to miss you.

use2livethere's picture

Ray you are going to be

Ray you are going to be missed. I remember looking over my back fence and talking to you. Even bulding the platform for the trains in your basement was always a pleasure. And when I use to come home on leave you were always one of the first people I went to see. You will be missed.