The Fishtown Effect: Part Deux

jbette01's picture

Fishtown Comes Through
Thought they wouldn't vote for a black guy?
by Isaiah Thompson
Published: November 5, 2008

http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2008/11/06/fishtown-comes-through

stein's picture

oh yeah, this comes off

oh yeah, this comes off looking real nice for fishtown:

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"I wouldn't say I knocked on doors for the guy," Thomson admitted to me. "But they could have brought some signs."

what a democratic committeeman!

ps. no one said they didn't think fishtown would come out for obama, just that they would have to put aside their racist tendencies to vote in their own economic interests for once.

Jeffro's picture

Quote:what a democratic

Quote:

what a democratic committeeman!

I can't tell if you are taking a shot at AJ here or taking a shot at the reporter for his depiction of AJ. Tone of voice is hard to read on a forum.

Whatever the case, folks ought to be reminded that AJ has done more positive things for this neighborhood in his youth than most people will do before they die. Obama had ten zillion volunteers coming to the doorsteps of this neighborhood. I am sure AJ supported his political party in his own way. I bet the quote was very carefully picked by the reporter to substantiate his point. I also bet that there were plenty of other things said by AJ that were not printed. If we start trusting the media when defining ourselves and defining this neighborhood, then we really are in bad shape.

ps - Being a lifelong Fishtowner, I do resent the first article that Isaiah fella printed generalizing the people of this neighborhood. I am not in any way a racist, and I wasn't raised a racist.

pss - I didn't vote for Obama.

kdubs215's picture

Jeff - People are still

Jeff - People are still gonna think we are racist no matter what ! AS you know FISHTOWNERS who are racist DONT HIDE IT .... We both know that .... I invited this mooooron to the board one night for a drink i know he wont show up ...

Ftown66's picture

Why should we care about

Why should we care about what asses think of us?

Larry99's picture

stein, it's really too bad

stein, it's really too bad you feel that way because everything jeffro says is right.... And incidentally, while you're on your computer critizing, AJ was out there fighting to keep our library open.

biggeo's picture

the more things change the

the more things change the more they remain the same, i'm guessing that until the last true fishtowner is gone this conversation will go on and on and on. anyway i wouldn't want to live anywhere else. opinions are like assholes everybody has one

biggeo's picture

the more things change the

the more things change the more they remain the same, i'm guessing that until the last true fishtowner is gone this conversation will go on and on and on. anyway i wouldn't want to live anywhere else. opinions are like assholes everybody has one

Nunzio's picture

I have to echo Jeffro's and

I have to echo Jeffro's and Larry's comments here. Committee people seldom knock on doors anymore for anyone. Candidates are even less likely to canvas. So, AJ not knocking on doors for Obama means squat. He was probably doing other things, like raising a family, organizing neighborhood fundraisers, putting together a spelling bee, or presiding over a meeting of the FNA.

On election day, he stood in front of Penn Widow's Home for 13 hours handing out sample ballots to nearly 500 of his immediate neighbors, encouraging them to vote for Barack Obama. The ballots he handed out had Barack Obama's name displayed prominently at the top. Plus, he has Obama signs hanging in the front windows of his house, for all the world to see. Do you really think his support for Obama is half-hearted or that he was afraid to show it?

Truth be told, Obama's campaign came into Philadelphia full of self-righteousness, arrogance, sanctimony, and an aura of superiority. No wonder Obama got trounced in the primary, when Democrats were given a choice. We might be on the same team, stein, but all politics is local.

In the general election, I did what AJ was doing, just at a different location. The two Obama workers assigned to that location did squat. They took a day off from work and traveled all the way from New York City to stand on a corner and do nothing. A third worker came to help with the after work crowd and immediately got so out of hand with outrageous demands for magic markers and signs and posters and directions that within ten minutes, the Obama campaign had to send a car to get her out of there. That's someone who just doesn't get it and actually ends up hurting the campaign more than she helps. I wonder what the three of them will tell their grandchildren what they did on election day in 2008. Thank goodness our location had Democratic committeepeople who knew the voters and were actually doing work. I'll know what I'll tell my grandchildren.

And another thing...when I got my supplies for election day a few days before, there were no Obama pins in the package. There was one poster. I had to go to Obama's campaign office and buy them. The campaign raised $150 million the month prior and it couldn't spring for some pins and posters? The irony is, despite the Obama campaign's arrogance and disdain toward the democratic committee people, they still came through for him, in numbers larger than anyone expected. That's because we get it.

What scares me a little about Obama is not so much him, because I'm a whole-hearted supporter, it's the ultra-liberals that have glued themselves to his side. I sincerely hope his presidency moves toward the center. Being a centrist is what made Bill Clinton such an incredible and effective president. And, it was John McCain's movement away from the center that made him such an unpalatable choice to independent voters in the middle.

brooke's picture

I think there's two ways of

I think there's two ways of construing what AJ said. I think obviously Isiah took it the negative way. Knowing AJ, I'd have to say I could picture him saying that and I can tell you he didn't mean it the negative way.

stein's picture

Quote:it couldn't spring for

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it couldn't spring for some pins and posters?

pins and posters can't vote.

netable's picture

I'm a Fishtowner' and I

I'm a Fishtowner' and I think it's the Best Place to live. When others' have something negative to say' It goes in one ear and out the other' If some goofy reporter' writes some bad reviews or negative remarks' I don't care' if another person writes something on this thread trashing a member of our Community, then too bad for them.

Anyone who truly is a Fishtowner' and not a "Hater" (plenty of jealous people miserable with their own lives) knows how fortunate Fishtown is to have a Resident like AJ. It's ridiculous that someone can write negative things about him or print a conversation out of context.

Who cares if AJ didn't knock on anyone's doors to Support Obama' , I'm sure there was more important things that was taking his precious time' like for Instance' hanging out with the Kids from "Whatever it Takes" being an awesome role model for them or Meeting with people to help save the library, maybe the swimo, or just getting a bunch of kids together to pick those artic splashes up on our streets.

Or spending Quality time with his Family.

Even if he was at JB's or Memphis gulping down some brewski's

Fishtowners' know AJ and know how much He loves and does for his Community

To question him as a Commiteeman , well thats just hysterical and unfortunate for the people that do!

AJThomson's picture

As I pointed out to the

As I pointed out to the original questioner of my committeemanship, I told the reporter that I didn't go around knocking on doors multiple times. I guarantee you that I got more votes for Obama than most of the volunteers. A lot of people asked me who I was voting for in this election, much more than any previous election. I told them and I told them why.
I echo Nunzio's thoughts on some of the campaign volunteers, not all. For instance, a volunteer knocked on my door on Saturday before the election. I had a huge Obama sign on my door, am a committeeman and donated to his campaign. She was a nice lady, but did she think I was going to forget to vote on Tuesday?
I supported Obama in the primary and general elections for many reasons. A stray quote in an otherwise positive article is no reason to continue the debate of my relative worth as a committeeman or person.
I think we can let it go.

kdubs215's picture

AMEN NETABLE netable

AMEN NETABLE

netable wrote:

I'm a Fishtowner' and I think it's the Best Place to live. When others' have something negative to say' It goes in one ear and out the other' If some goofy reporter' writes some bad reviews or negative remarks' I don't care' if another person writes something on this thread trashing a member of our Community, then too bad for them.

Anyone who truly is a Fishtowner' and not a "Hater" (plenty of jealous people miserable with their own lives) knows how fortunate Fishtown is to have a Resident like AJ. It's ridiculous that someone can write negative things about him or print a conversation out of context.

Who cares if AJ didn't knock on anyone's doors to Support Obama' , I'm sure there was more important things that was taking his precious time' like for Instance' hanging out with the Kids from "Whatever it Takes" being an awesome role model for them or Meeting with people to help save the library, maybe the swimo, or just getting a bunch of kids together to pick those artic splashes up on our streets.

Or spending Quality time with his Family.

Even if he was at JB's or Memphis gulping down some brewski's

Fishtowners' know AJ and know how much He loves and does for his Community

To question him as a Commiteeman , well thats just hysterical and unfortunate for the people that do!

Ken W

jobber's picture

Journalism? City Paper?

Journalism? City Paper? HAH! Who cares what they write in that rag? If it can't be sensationalized, scandalized, or completely false they don't print it.
Who would take it seriously? Who would actually read it?
That is not a newspaper it is a directory for hookers.

jbette01's picture

jobber wrote:Journalism?

jobber wrote:

Journalism? City Paper? HAH! Who cares what they write in that rag? If it can't be sensationalized, scandalized, or completely false they don't print it.
Who would take it seriously? Who would actually read it?
That is not a newspaper it is a directory for hookers.

Funny, thats how I feel about Fox News.

Nunzio's picture

stein wrote:Quote:it

stein wrote:
Quote:

it couldn't spring for some pins and posters?

pins and posters can't vote.

You're right, pins and posters can't vote. Neither can TV ads, radio ads, press releases, websites, robo calls, mass mailings, knocks on the door, 30 minute network TV airtime purchases, or little round stickers that say, "Fishtown for Obama". But the campaign obviously thought so much of pins and posters that they charged people for them; even those who were willing to stand on a corner for 13 hours on election day asking people to vote for their candidate.

Ftown66's picture

As for the citypaper and the

As for the citypaper and the other free rag if you want me to take serious anything these rags print then maybe they should get rid of all the tranny whorehouse hooker adds and then maybe I'll take your articles serious. I read/look at hustler for the pictures. Not because its tries to have some supposed journalistic integrity once in a while with some of its serious articles. I just can't take them seriously as newsworthy.

stein's picture

Nunzio wrote:But the

Nunzio wrote:

But the campaign obviously thought so much of pins and posters that they charged people for them;

No, they thought so _little_ of them that they charged people for them.

Jeffro's picture

Quote:pins and posters can't

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pins and posters can't vote.

You're right, buddy. Point well made.

Hey, AJ - I renounce your awesomeness. You're the worst. Stick your feet out the window, dude.

dan's picture

biggeo wrote:i'm guessing

biggeo wrote:

i'm guessing that until the last true fishtowner is gone this conversation will go on and on and on.

it will be a long time until the last true fishtowner is gone.

they have been around for well over 100 years, and there are more new ones each year - both born and made

true fishtowners are everyone who loves the neighborhood and shows it by caring for their neighbors

biggeo's picture

dan wrote:biggeo wrote:i'm

dan wrote:
biggeo wrote:

i'm guessing that until the last true fishtowner is gone this conversation will go on and on and on.

it will be a long time until the last true fishtowner is gone.

they have been around for well over 100 years, and there are more new ones each year - both born and made

true fishtowners are everyone who loves the neighborhood and shows it by caring for their neighbors

yes, long live fishtown